Spurs MUST NOT miss the chance to appoint Louis Van Gaal In The Summer

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Tim Sherwood should be applauded for the stellar job he has done as Spurs manager so far. And he has been applauded.

But I feel with greater foresight and vision for Spurs to make giant strides forward over the next few years, it would be stupid of them to pass up the opportunity to appoint a proven winner in the shape of Louis Van Gaal.

Brash, arrogant, cocky he may be, but his CV is one of the most outstanding in football and he knows what he is doing.

I feel more than anything, Spurs have a culture of mediocrity - a spirit of imminent failure which lurks behind every step toward success.

Van Gaal will undoubtedly change the attitudes of the players and his philosophy which is heavily focused on team work and not invididual talents seems to be the formula for success for any great side. It's something Spurs lack.

Sherwood can't cultivate this change of attitude or philosophy. He hasn't won anything and won't command the level of respect, reverance and indeed fear that Van Gaal will.

I actually think hiring Van Gaal is something that will ensure Spurs begin to GENUINELY battle with the big boys over the next few years. But they must approach him again in the Summer or risk remaining a stagnant force teetering on the periphery of the top 4.
 
What, like England shouldn't have passed up the opportunity to hire Capello, as he's a born winner.

Or we had to bring in Santini, Ramos and AVB to move to the next level.

Van Gaal does have a superb reputation and on paper looks to be the perfect choice but it's too simplistic to say he is definitely going to be a success, as he hasn't managed a club like us before with the constraints imposed on managers.

I'll get behind Van Gaal if he's appointment as I like what he says and he's a believer of the beautiful game but let's show some respect to Sherwood before we dismiss his chances of landing the job.
 
Also you realise Van Gaal is hot headed, he takes no **** and speaks frankly. The only reason Redknapp lasted (apart from the progress) was because he was left to get on with the job.

Van Gaal, Levy and a Dof runs the risk of ending abruptly, so while Van Gaal is a great coach, doesn't mean him and Levy could work together.
 
Agreed, Boss, but it was some of the phrasing that set my wum-radar beeping, especially this line:

"I actually think hiring Van Gaal is something that will ensure Spurs begin to GENUINELY battle with the big boys over the next few years. But they must approach him again in the Summer or risk remaining a stagnant force teetering on the periphery of the top 4."
 
KroosControl said:
Tim Sherwood should be applauded for the stellar job he has done as Spurs manager so far. And he has been applauded.

But I feel with greater foresight and vision for Spurs to make giant strides forward over the next few years, it would be stupid of them to pass up the opportunity to appoint a proven winner in the shape of Louis Van Gaal.

Brash, arrogant, cocky he may be, but his CV is one of the most outstanding in football and he knows what he is doing.

I feel more than anything, Spurs have a culture of mediocrity - a spirit of imminent failure which lurks behind every step toward success.

Van Gaal will undoubtedly change the attitudes of the players and his philosophy which is heavily focused on team work and not invididual talents seems to be the formula for success for any great side. It's something Spurs lack.

Sherwood can't cultivate this change of attitude or philosophy. He hasn't won anything and won't command the level of respect, reverance and indeed fear that Van Gaal will.

I actually think hiring Van Gaal is something that will ensure Spurs begin to GENUINELY battle with the big boys over the next few years. But they must approach him again in the Summer or risk remaining a stagnant force teetering on the periphery of the top 4.
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Interesting viewpoint. Welcome to the board <ok>
 
Hoddle Is A God said:
Agreed, Boss, but it was some of the phrasing that set my wum-radar beeping, especially this line:

"I actually think hiring Van Gaal is something that will ensure Spurs begin to GENUINELY battle with the big boys over the next few years. But they must approach him again in the Summer or risk remaining a stagnant force teetering on the periphery of the top 4."
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Lol 'big boys' I don't mind these '' Wum '' posts as he's actually got a point, if we don't have the right manager then we will remain stagnant... And I know you don't think Sherwoodie is the man!
 
Boss said:
And I know you don't think Sherwoodie is the man!
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I don't mind him. For a complete novice, he's doing remarkably well; and one day he'll make a cracking manager. It's just that I believe, soon, his luck is going to run out and he won't know what to do to stem the rot.
 
I just want a manager who

1) don't comment on other teams (arsenal are in a negative spiral)
2) can get us playing decent football (rather than pointless possession)

anything else is a bonus in my opinion

This season the biggest disappointments have been are 2 £20m plus signings....I always liked that we didn't spend stupid money and these 2 signings have only strengthened that view...

I always get behind our manager but everything about AVB was awful imo...I thought he would be as **** as ramos only without the trophy and he was...Ramos was awful apart from that trophy...I mean ... £16 on ****ing Bentley <doh> and don't get me started on Santini...all three were "the next big thing" and all 3 were ****ing awful...I would just like us to stick with sherwood...let him build on what he has started
 
Boss said:
What, like England shouldn't have passed up the opportunity to hire Capello, as he's a born winner.

Or we had to bring in Santini, Ramos and AVB to move to the next level.

Van Gaal does have a superb reputation and on paper looks to be the perfect choice but it's too simplistic to say he is definitely going to be a success, as he hasn't managed a club like us before with the constraints imposed on managers.

I'll get behind Van Gaal if he's appointment as I like what he says and he's a believer of the beautiful game but let's show some respect to Sherwood before we dismiss his chances of landing the job.
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You forgot Owen Coyle <whistle>
 
I wasn't intending to troll or 'wum' with my post. I just genuinely think it would be silly of Spurs not to give a World Class Manager the reigns. His CV can go toe to toe with the big players above us such as Mourinho and Wenger - and gazumps that of Pellegrini and Brendan Rodgers. He will bring an aura and feeling of winning - a winners mentality that not many managers can bring in.

"Boss" mentioned the names of Capello, Ramos, Santini and AVB. I would argue firstly that with Capello - international football is a completely different ball game and is rather hit or miss irrespective of the managers reputations. World Cup winners such as Scolari failed at Chelsea - it can go either way.

Jacques Santini, AVB and Ramos all achieved respectable success - with the zenith of their achievements being the Europa League trophy which again pales in comparison to the UEFA Champions League trophy that Van Gaal won. In short, Van Gaal is a head and shoulders above the names you mentioned.

I also think its important now that Tottenham have a coach who attaches his own footballing philosophy to the identity of the club, unlike Tim Sherwood who is from the Harry Redknapp train of thought of 'just attack' - with very little meticulous focus on technical and tactical development. All great managers have philosophies (Wenger, Mourinho, Guardiola, Klopp, Heynckes) and have built successful teams because of a focus on just that. Van Gaal is also in this category.

The potential for a relationship between Levy, Baldini and Van Gaal is of course a concern. But if something can be arranged to allow Van Gaal the reign to do as he pleases I think Spurs have a great chance.

The club needs a change of attitude.
 
All great managers have philosophies (Wenger, Mourinho, Guardiola, Klopp, Heynckes) and have built successful teams because of a focus on just that. Van Gaal is also in this category.

All managers great or otherwise have a 'philosophy', whether they have access to the funds for the right/best players to exercise that philosophy is another matter entirely. My point is there are just as good managers out there that won't get the chance.

Pep Guardiola through the good fortune of his position and timing, inherited a Barca side hitting peak with his first job. That success allows him to walk into Bayern Munich, another top side that doesn't need much doing to it. I'm not dissing Pep at all, but you have to ask how he'd have done working up the leagues as managers do here. Atm he's a manager of great sides, great manager? dunno yet, the going got a bit sticky in the end at Barca and he walked!
 
notsosmartspur said:
All great managers have philosophies (Wenger, Mourinho, Guardiola, Klopp, Heynckes) and have built successful teams because of a focus on just that. Van Gaal is also in this category.

All managers great or otherwise have a 'philosophy', whether they have access to the funds for the right/best players to exercise that philosophy is another matter entirely. My point is there are just as good managers out there that won't get the chance.

Pep Guardiola through the good fortune of his position and timing, inherited a Barca side hitting peak with his first job. That success allows him to walk into Bayern Munich, another top side that doesn't need much doing to it. I'm not dissing Pep at all, but you have to ask how he'd have done working up the leagues as managers do here. Atm he's a manager of great sides, great manager? dunno yet, the going got a bit sticky in the end at Barca and he walked!
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Same for Mourinho i think, although he clearly is a good manager i have my doubts about how he would do at a Spurs/Newcastle/etc
 
Spurm said:
Same for Mourinho i think, although he clearly is a good manager i have my doubts about how he would do at a Spurs/Newcastle/etc
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Mourinho has done well at his clubs because he has been able to impose himself, his way of playing football and his philosophy on his players, and anyone he has not got on with in this way has been frozen out, and the clubs he has managed were able to afford to go and buy him quality players to replace those he would not get on with. As you say Spurm, it would be very interesting to see him at a club like ours where he couldn't go and drop £21 million on a player like Matic without anyone batting an eyelid and where he would have to deal with a chairman like Levy who seems as abrupt and egotistical as Mourinho is.
 
The Huddlefro said:
Mourinho has done well at his clubs because he has been able to impose himself, his way of playing football and his philosophy on his players, and anyone he has not got on with in this way has been frozen out, and the clubs he has managed were able to afford to go and buy him quality players to replace those he would not get on with. As you say Spurm, it would be very interesting to see him at a club like ours where he couldn't go and drop £21 million on a player like Matic without anyone batting an eyelid and where he would have to deal with a chairman like Levy who seems as abrupt and egotistical as Mourinho is.
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<applause>

I get sick and tired about people going on about how great Mourinho is when nearly all his success has been gained by having a financial advantage over his rivals. When he doesn't have that advantage (Real v Barca, or currently Chelsea v ManC) he doesn't look quite so special. I also have my doubts about how he'd do at a club with more limited finances such as ours... I suspect you'd just get the boring, negative parts of his game without the expensive flair players to offset it.

As for the OP, appointing Van Gaal would ensure nothing. It's a gamble, it always is, the only thing you can do is try and put the odds in your favour. On paper Van Gaal might do that but how many times in the past have we appointed managers that looked good on paper?

Still too early to make this decision imo, I'll judge Sherwood v Van Gaal at the end of the season.
 
What makes Cloughie the greatest manager who ever breathed is the fact that he took two very ordinary sides, Derby and Forest, and made them extraordinary. The difference between those two clubs being great and being ordinary was Cloughie. Ferguson did the same with United, but to a very lesser extent, since United had already gained a reputation as a major force in both domestic and European football, and had merely fallen below par for a short while. Ferguson inherited a sleeping giant and, fair play to him, he was able to awaken it and keep it awake throughout most of his very long reign, but Cloughie had to make both his sides great.
 
We have no set style at the moment, no gameplan or way of breaking teams down going into the game and no way of shielding the back four when it's really needed.

We are not dissimilar to Moyes' utd team, which has been accused of being overly simplistic.

Football is not just a results business, and if these points aren't improved by the end of the season then imo we should get in someone as qualified as Van Gaal, or Benitez who can instill a better work ethic into the whole team, and united way of playing that means we can keep the ball for a reason, and use it intelligently to pull people out of position and attack vulnerable players.

Not the hit n hope crosses and balls generally in Ade's direction which we are using atm.
 
KroosControl said:
I wasn't intending to troll or 'wum' with my post. I just genuinely think it would be silly of Spurs not to give a World Class Manager the reigns. His CV can go toe to toe with the big players above us such as Mourinho and Wenger - and gazumps that of Pellegrini and Brendan Rodgers. He will bring an aura and feeling of winning - a winners mentality that not many managers can bring in.

"Boss" mentioned the names of Capello, Ramos, Santini and AVB. I would argue firstly that with Capello - international football is a completely different ball game and is rather hit or miss irrespective of the managers reputations. World Cup winners such as Scolari failed at Chelsea - it can go either way.

Jacques Santini, AVB and Ramos all achieved respectable success - with the zenith of their achievements being the Europa League trophy which again pales in comparison to the UEFA Champions League trophy that Van Gaal won. In short, Van Gaal is a head and shoulders above the names you mentioned.

I also think its important now that Tottenham have a coach who attaches his own footballing philosophy to the identity of the club, unlike Tim Sherwood who is from the Harry Redknapp train of thought of 'just attack' - with very little meticulous focus on technical and tactical development. All great managers have philosophies (Wenger, Mourinho, Guardiola, Klopp, Heynckes) and have built successful teams because of a focus on just that. Van Gaal is also in this category.

The potential for a relationship between Levy, Baldini and Van Gaal is of course a concern. But if something can be arranged to allow Van Gaal the reign to do as he pleases I think Spurs have a great chance.

The club needs a change of attitude.
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You can leave Baldini out of the equation, if van Gaal is coming he will have already started to identify the players that he wants. However, the relationship between van Gaal and Levy would be fireworks. van Gaal is not afraid to court the press, in fact he has already started to do it. He is a kind of Redknapp on coke with at least half a brain. Employing van Gaal would be a bit like Levy sticking a stick of dynamite up his own arse. A lot of people might think that a good thing but something would have to break but Levy would be stuck between a rock and a hard place. Close shop and revert to type and then any failure would clearly be at his own hands and success would elevate the manager to legend status and require on going investmenton the scale of Citeh or the Chavs, which is very anti Levy.

New rules would have to be in place to court the manager, none of this buying players to sell at a later date at a profit, players would be footballers not commodities with winning, rather than profit, being the target. Salaries would have to match or better other top teams. At risk of sounding rhetorical, could Levy handle someone that big, I doubt it. To succeed Levy would have to relinquish financial control and I just cant see him doing that.

Interim Tim is far easier for Levy to deal with, a nice yes man, a lap dog. So unless Tim's results take a downward dive, I don't see Levy cramming Semtex up his own backside unless Uncle Joe tells him to.
 
I wouldn't call Sherwood a yes man, more the opposite. Avb was a yes man. Sherwood has a personality and isn't shy of speaking up for himself, nor will he have players he doesn't want.

The only 'cosy' aspect, is him and Levy apparently get on well, but same with Redknapp, Redknapp and Levy had a good relationship for the most part (until the end where it got strained but they parted on good terms) and Sherwoods relationship looks to be similar, in that he can speak for himself, unlike Avb who I believe was sat there dour faced waiting for things to happen.
 
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