Reluctant maybe, but you will vote Labour.
And equally you can't see through Mrs Abbott's madcap mathematics.
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Reluctant maybe, but you will vote Labour.
And equally you can't see through Mrs Abbott's madcap mathematics.
have you got that KERRY MC CARTHY? WHO GETS ACCESS TO POSTAL VOTES! and publishs them before voting day … thus likely telling other parties there no likihood of them winning!Seems to me, that if you are a Remainer, then it's either Labour or Lib Dems,,,,if you are a leaver along with common sense, then it's Tories or Brexit Party...
I Know in my patch, that Tories have a bad record so I know voting them is likely to be wasted. Brexit Party it is then!!!
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politic...vYwAjSRqXiFsduvls7eQtoat7OEXlI2R0pdxFmcEBji6Y
Have a read Ashton, plenty of credible policies.....
They are a protest party that’s all, they are not going to be the next government, they aren’t even putting candidates up in every constituency, their objective is to leave the EU, that’s it. It’s an honourable position, but if you think they are anything else you are seriously misguided.
I have no illusions about Miss Abbott. I don’t consider her a credible politician, I’m also aware where most of Tory funding comes from and where it’s loyalty lie and it isn’t the likes of you and me.
Boris isn’t much more competent than Miss Abbott, this is a man that wasn’t fit to be Foreign Secretary and yet we are considering allowing him to be PM. I’m no Corbyn lover either , and strongly believe we should honour the referendum but I don’t want to give Boris a full term as PM.
My preference would be Boris to deliver Brexit , then Labour to run the country as I believe despite their faults they at least have the interests of the people at heart.
There’s a theme here , I want power devolved from the EU and also big business and given as much as possible to ordinary people who don’t have vested interests. It’s not rocket science.
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They are there to take away Labour votes to ensure we leave the EU.....They will/could have a voice in Parliament which could be significant. That is their main objective.......I don't think I'm misguided at all..
But with their pledges, the country will be on it's knees......their sums to do everything, just does not add up..
Spot on bloody glad the Brexit party came about otherwise we would be in a even bigger mess.
The country would be bankrupt if you let those NUMPTIES run the country.
Forget allegiances the only credible vote is Boris
But its not that credible when you are the person suggesting it
Been reading this thread without commenting and it's very interesting - her's my take on it all.
The two main parties are mistakenly projected by the media to be at the opposite ends of the social spectrum which is not necessarily the case. This is actively promoted by the one to further their cause, whilst the other tries to play it down not to overly alienate voters and harm theirs.
"Just socialism" is constantly thrust forward by the Labour party to attract the "have nots", and the Tories try to dispel the perception that they only exist for the benefit of those that already "have". It's a question for voters as which category they perceive themselves to be in and to the positive/negative effect that either party in power will have on their lives.
Neither party leader commands the respect of the majority. Johnson is portayed as a bumbling clown whilst Corbyn as a 70's marxist throwback, high on rhetoric but low on reality who will take the country backwards 50 years.
Voting for a change is always the protest vote after any government's term in office and this is where the Labour party are targeting their campaign. The Tories have it all to lose after this past 5 years of turmoil.
Forget all the empty campaign promises made by them all, the single issue that is going to return them to power is definitely their stance on Brexit, and it's the handling of this single issue that will ultimately cause Labour to fail this time. Maybe that, and the fact that Corbyn is their leader.
The two main parties are mistakenly projected by the media to be at the opposite ends of the social spectrum which is not necessarily the case. This is actively promoted by the one to further their cause, whilst the other tries to play it down not to overly alienate voters and harm theirs.
"Just socialism" is constantly thrust forward by the Labour party to attract the "have nots", and the Tories try to dispel the perception that they only exist for the benefit of those that already "have". It's a question for voters as which category they perceive themselves to be in and to the positive/negative effect that either party in power will have on their lives.
Neither party leader commands the respect of the majority. Johnson is portayed as a bumbling clown whilst Corbyn as a 70's marxist throwback, high on rhetoric but low on reality who will take the country backwards 50 years.
Voting for a change is always the protest vote after any government's term in office and this is where the Labour party are targeting their campaign. The Tories have it all to lose after this past 5 years of turmoil.
Forget all the empty campaign promises made by them all, the single issue that is going to return them to power is definitely their stance on Brexit, and it's the handling of this single issue that will ultimately cause Labour to fail this time. Maybe that, and the fact that Corbyn is their leader.
You must be a very young person under 21 years old or if you are older a poor memory of past labour governments catastrophe's, simply not very good at math's / figures or an out and out gambler taking a punt without considering all the facts.
here you are in confusion which would partly answer why you stated you want Labour in power above. You want power devolved from the EU, WELL you cant have just a bit of it you have to have all or nothing [ Trade deals and border partnering apart ]. No comma after "EU and" So you want to devolve power from big business and give more power to the people [ but you don't state in which form ]. What sort of power do you wish to devolve from big business? Big business as you call makes the wheels go around ….. probably an inept statement saying" not rocket science" ….. on what you state the rocket would probably explode on start up
You are definetly not misguided
there is more than 1 "new party" that do not have a full agenda, or small parties that have aims, Lib un democrats, Plaid, "the party which has had a few names as it gets smaller" and Wombles mob north of the border" [ The SNP would not allow him to "be the face on TV as he would screw up?!" [ last night poor old Nicola got hammered again and again, Corbolliks turn tonight ... wont miss that!] and don't forget the independants there is a lot of them..... BREXIT PARTY will, should they get MP's, either evolve, after leaving EU, into a smaller party with new name and be akin to the believes of political change.
Both main parties are promising things they won’t be able to fulfil,
I am neither young nor have a poor memory. Labour do have to spend when they come in, that’s because everything is so underfunded after the previous Tory government, if you don’t regularly maintain your house you end up paying more to repair it in the long run . I know how long NHS queues are now for instance and how they were bought down during the last Labour government, how police numbers are down after years of Tory underfunding , the list goes on , and is always the same. Some will say who pays for the spending, which is a fair point, my point is if you don’t spend enough in the end it actually costs more.
I agree with most of your points , however it’s not just about who we perceive will have a positive/ negative effect on our lives, but on society in general, I may well be better off under a Tory government, that doesn’t mean I’ll vote Tory.
sorry about quoting you twice, having problems with my phone.
That's very altruistic of you Ashton - I doubt many others will share you selfless principles, but good for you.
This election will be won by indviduals voting for what they believe is best for them and their families, not by principled voters who's only concern is the wider society.
Ashton why did the Tories have to cut back when they took over from Labour.
You don't need to be einstein to answer that one.
Money does not grow on trees it comes from the people of the country .The Government just collect it.
Imagine running a business like the labour party you would not last five minutes.
Don't forget they would scrap the new benefit Universal Credit (maybe a good thing) but replace it with what? And how much would that cost? They also said they will unfreeze benefit and increase their payments by inflation. How much will that cost too? The only answer they give is they claim they will collect the tax money owed from the big companies such as amazon, google and the likes. And they will claim they will add more tax to the top 5% wealthiest. Can you really see that happening? The rich will just go elsewhere and therefore we would lose what tax they do give. Now getting what is owed and getting it from the richest is all well and good. But if Labour are saying they will fund everything based on this, we will be in so much more debt than ever because they will fail in their attempts to get it from the rich. They are literally living in fantasy land.
And as for getting a new deal with the EU on Brexit.... they want a deal which will include the customs union and single market, which is exactly what voters voted to leave when they voted for Brexit. The deal they will bring back won't actually be Brexit at all and then we would have to choose this new deal or remain. No deal won't even be an option on the new referendum. This would be all good for remainers but leavers will be told to accept it all in the name of democracy. A ****storm will come if this happens. With all this added time being wasted with seeking a 3rd new deal and then going through another referendum, how much more money will Labour use during this uncertain period and how will businesses continue to survive with another 9 months or more of delays?
Then what deal will Labour have with the SNP to get their support to get a majority? SNP said they want the independence vote. Labour have said he won't give it to them for a few years but will instead pump money into Scotland with infrastructure and other things. So think about it... how much money will Labour pump into Scotland for 2 years and then allow them to vote on their independence and they decide to leave the UK? What a waste of money that would have been!!!