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maybe not mars in your case,beginning to think your opinions are more like comming from Uranus.night some of us have to work,to pay Corbyns gangs benefits
 
lifecheshirewhite said:
maybe not mars in your case,beginning to think your opinions are more like comming from Uranus.night some of us have to work,to pay Corbyns gangs benefits
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I think you'll find that you're the one expressing the (foundless) opinions. I've simply debunked them by using easily available evidence & simple questions - all of which have been ignored by you. You're obviously very familiar with Uranus. Your bloody head's stuck up there often enough! :D
 
Whitejock said:
I think you'll find that you're the one expressing the (foundless) opinions. I've simply debunked them by using easily available evidence & simple questions - all of which have been ignored by you. You're obviously very familiar with Uranus. Your bloody head's stuck up there often enough! :D
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<yikes> you have ? can you list all the evidence you've shown me,afraid you've lost the plot,not seen any.<doh>
 
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Based on personal experience, I beg to differ. The PIP process is an inexcusable and deliberate attempt to deny benefits to those who truly deserve them. It has gone too far the opposite way. If MPs had to go through a similar process for expenses, we'd save more than this benefits purge. My wife has MS. This time it has hit her brain co-ordination centre, which rendered her speech almost unintelligible, and shot her balance to pieces, requiring a stick to move over short distances. After filling in about a 40 page application form, she went for an assessment. As part of this, she was required to stand unaided for 30 seconds, and answer some questions. Result? They concluded that she could walk with a normal gait for 200 metres or more unaided, plus she could 'obviously' speak well enough to do her job as a teacher (although they were told a number of times she had retired 3 years earlier). Either howling incompetence all round, or a concerted effort to deny people what is rightfully theirs. Basically, Marko is correct. It's a hugely unfair process. We had been told beforehand by the Citizen's Advice Bureau to expect to fail our application, as everyone did the first time around & had to appeal. We naively though Mrs WJ's case was so obvious that she could not fail. She did. And the appeal has not been 100% successful either, as a DWP pen-pusher who's never met Mrs WJ appears to know better than her GP. I suspect Marko has had similar difficulties, as does everyone else. And what little has been given has to be reassessed every 5 years. Just in case someone grows another leg or something equally impossible.

Finally, are you aware that there are 3600 people chasing benefit cheats, in the hope of saving £1.6bn or so? However, there are only 700 people chasing the tax avoidance shortfall of £34bn. Another example of where the Government's priorities lie. To the unobservant, it's a simple case of screw the already poor, and turn a blind eye to the already rich. No surprise there, then. (Source: http://www.theweek.co.uk/62461/benefit-fraud-v-tax-evasion-which-costs-more)
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Sympathy for you and Mrs WJ and I too have had first hand experience with PIP it is not perfect but it is catching the cheats. Sadly it will tangle in a few who genuinely need it but my point is, PIP was brought in because the cheats were draining the welfare system dry
 
Whitejock said:
Corbyn is not my friend. I admire him for the new leadership model he is trying to introduce, but I confess that I can only see failure ahead, unfortunately.

I suspect you have absolutely no idea what he actually believes. Unless you've communicated directly with him or someone close to him, you will be forming your opinion based on biased media reports. A bit like LL doing his match reports, but at least he uses reliable sources. Journos attacking an easy target are hugely unreliable, as we all know.

I cannot comment on the case you mention, as I'm not aware of the details, other than to say that if his case is in the public eye, then you can reasonably assume that the tory government have sanctioned his payment, otherwise it would have been taken from him by now. Or is that Corbyn's fault too?
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I detest Corbyn, if for a moment everyone just accepts that I do without question... Hundreds of thousands are like me, they too detest him, it doesn't matter why, we just do.

When the next election comes around Corbyn and Labour will lose by a landslide just taking in the Corbyn detestors alone. My belief is Corbyn will increase taxes and dish out more welfare, he will welcome more immigration.

Right belief or wrong, the fact I believe it is reason enough for me never to vote for him, add on top of that I just plainly don't like him and I guarantee there are plenty like me.

Corbyn is a typical example of a politician not listening to what the voter wants. Instead he is appealing to those on Welfare, the ones who will be too lazy to get off their arse and go and vote. He will appeal to a few genuine people like yourself WJ but not enough to come close in an election.

Labour should have dumped him, love it or hate it, the red tops influence a lot of people out there and Labour will get their worse ever result with Corbyn leading them.

All set for a welcome return for the elder Milliband in a few years time.
 
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ristac said:
I detest Corbyn, if for a moment everyone just accepts that I do without question... Hundreds of thousands are like me, they too detest him, it doesn't matter why, we just do.

When the next election comes around Corbyn and Labour will lose by a landslide just taking in the Corbyn detestors alone. My belief is Corbyn will increase taxes and dish out more welfare, he will welcome more immigration.

Right belief or wrong, the fact I believe it is reason enough for me never to vote for him, add on top of that I just plainly don't like him and I guarantee there are plenty like me.

Corbyn is a typical example of a politician not listening to what the voter wants. Instead he is appealing to those on Welfare, the ones who will be too lazy to get off their arse and go and vote. He will appeal to a few genuine people like yourself WJ but not enough to come close in an election.

Labour should have dumped him, love it or hate it, the red tops influence a lot of people out there and Labour will get their worse ever result with Corbyn leading them.

All set for a welcome return for the elder Milliband in a few years time.
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Stop sitting on Matts fence ffs Ristac.Say what you really feel <whistle>
 
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I detest Corbyn, if for a moment everyone just accepts that I do without question... Hundreds of thousands are like me, they too detest him, it doesn't matter why, we just do.

When the next election comes around Corbyn and Labour will lose by a landslide just taking in the Corbyn detestors alone. My belief is Corbyn will increase taxes and dish out more welfare, he will welcome more immigration.

Right belief or wrong, the fact I believe it is reason enough for me never to vote for him, add on top of that I just plainly don't like him and I guarantee there are plenty like me.

Corbyn is a typical example of a politician not listening to what the voter wants. Instead he is appealing to those on Welfare, the ones who will be too lazy to get off their arse and go and vote. He will appeal to a few genuine people like yourself WJ but not enough to come close in an election.

Labour should have dumped him, love it or hate it, the red tops influence a lot of people out there and Labour will get their worse ever result with Corbyn leading them.

All set for a welcome return for the elder Milliband in a few years time.
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I really don't want to be Corbyn's champion here, but there is something that needs put right. You highlighted the word 'voter'. Do you realise that Corbyn was voted in as Leader (twice) by the Labour Party members - i.e. the ordinary people, aka voters. NOT the MPs, but the true party members. He has the biggest mandate that any Labour leader has EVER had. That speaks volumes.

Having said that, I refer the honourable gentleman back to my first sentence, where I said that I think he will fail.

The press do not like him, and they have developed a persona for him that suits their purposes. How close it is to actuality, I have no idea, as I don't know the man, nor have I studied his oratory or anything he has written.

You must ask yourself why you have this view of him. Can you hand on heart say that you have studied his output to form your opinion, or is it perhaps more likely that you have been brainwashed by the media, the well-paid mouthpieces of those with an agenda against him?
 
lifecheshirewhite said:
<yikes> you have ? can you list all the evidence you've shown me,afraid you've lost the plot,not seen any.<doh>
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If you have not seen the evidence presented before you, then I give up. I have provided links, personal information, and you've even learned new words.

And what did I get in return?

Bleating after unfounded bleating.

Game over, unless you start providing some foundation for your bleatings. I've had enough of your unsubstantiated snash and am going to enjoy my day with my grandchildren (who at least fully explain what they're whining about). :D
 
Whitejock said:
Really? <doh>

So where's the overwhelming evidence to support this outlandish assertion? Daily Mail pull-out? Express? Sun?

Get a grip. You've been brainwashed by the media. Take a good look at yourself. You've never struck me as being gullible before.
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The trouble with Corbyn for me is he appears stuck in time. By that I mean he still comes across like a left wing student still sitting in the student bar raging against Tory and social injustice.
As leader of the Labour Party he should not be going on protest marches, he should be appearing like a leader who can implement policies to make the country a fairer place with everyone having the opportunity to succeed if that's what he believes.
Labour only have themselves to blame for their demise (and I have real concerns if the tories wipe them out next time and can run the country as they please) because they did preside over the growth of the welfare system that made it become a lifestyle choice for some and in doing so alienated their core (very hard) working class voters.
 
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Whitejock said:
I really don't want to be Corbyn's champion here, but there is something that needs put right. You highlighted the word 'voter'. Do you realise that Corbyn was voted in as Leader (twice) by the Labour Party members - i.e. the ordinary people, aka voters. NOT the MPs, but the true party members. He has the biggest mandate that any Labour leader has EVER had. That speaks volumes.

Having said that, I refer the honourable gentleman back to my first sentence, where I said that I think he will fail.

The press do not like him, and they have developed a persona for him that suits their purposes. How close it is to actuality, I have no idea, as I don't know the man, nor have I studied his oratory or anything he has written.

You must ask yourself why you have this view of him. Can you hand on heart say that you have studied his output to form your opinion, or is it perhaps more likely that you have been brainwashed by the media, the well-paid mouthpieces of those with an agenda against him?
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Firstly, I haven't brought a newspaper in years so my only knowledge of him is through the news on TV. So I guess my answer is yes the media has influenced my decision but also when he speaks or when he is interviewed I often don't like what I hear. I truly believe he would be an awful prime minister....

Why did he get back in? Because hardcore Labour supporters wanted him in, I have just had a read of http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2016/09/how-jeremy-corbyn-won-labour-leadership-election and the 183,000 that paid £25 to vote are a drop in the ocean compared to election voters.

I'm a little confused though as you say you think he will "fail" but question or point out that he was voted in by party members, so why do you believe he will fail?
 
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