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chippy / glory said:
Its on clearly titled threads and they have multiple pages. All the clues are there sherlock.... Dont want to read it then give the threads a miss..... Simples..

If May, Gove and Davis thought they could win the parlimentary debate and get the looney tory right vision of a hard brexit as the official uk position they woukd have tabled the debate four minths ago.

The next tactic will be to say Britain cant decide what brxit looks liks cos the 27 other eu countries have to tell us. This is factually correct, and peehaps they should have said so in june ( some idiots voted brexit and didnt know) instead of telling us how we could have the best of all worlds and in addition the nhs would be getting an extra £350 mill a week.
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Pish.

600 posts later & nothing has changed.

Still the same rabid rant.

And no idea how the legal system or Government works.

I think I'll ignore the next 600.
 
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Irrespective of your views on Brexit. Mp's are representatives not delegates. The difference is you elect them to take decisions THEY think are for the best...not necessarily the ones YOU want. It's why referenda are politically/constitutionally contentious... The whole point of electing (in theory) people more able than yourself to look after the country, is because the man in the street isn't Educated/experienced/knowledgable enough to take them... in the way you wouldn't want an mp to rewire your house. If you don't like them, you vote them out for someone else... That's how our democracy works.

If ever you needed proof of this, Brexit was it. Many people had no idea what they were actually voting for or what the likely consequences were. It's not their fault... They should never have been asked a simple question to a very complex subject.
 
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milkyboy said:
Irrespective of your views on Brexit. Mp's are representatives not delegates. The difference is you elect them to take decisions THEY think are for the best...not necessarily the ones YOU want. It's why referenda are politically/constitutionally contentious... The whole point of electing (in theory) people more able than yourself to look after the country, is because the man in the street isn't Educated/experienced/knowledgable enough to take them... in the way you wouldn't want an mp to rewire your house. If you don't like them, you vote them out for someone else... That's how our democracy works.

If ever you needed proof of this, Brexit was it. Many people had no idea what they were actually voting for or what the likely consequences were. It's not their fault... They should never have been asked a simple question to a very complex subject.
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So, what qualifications do you need to be a politician?
 
An nvq in expense fudging.

You don't need qualifications, such is the beauty of democracy. Anyone with a relatively small 'deposit' can put themselves forward, or join a party and get them to put you forward... and ask people to vote for you. If you've voted before, you voted for someone based on them telling you why they'd be good at the job, and if you didn't believe them then you should have voted for someone else it not bothered.

I wasn't claiming MPs are super-intellects, my point was explaining how our political system works. Someone earlier wasn't sure on what a representative is. I suspect it's a common misunderstanding.
 
milkyboy said:
An nvq in expense fudging.

You don't need qualifications, such is the beauty of democracy. Anyone with a relatively small 'deposit' can put themselves forward, or join a party and get them to put you forward... and ask people to vote for you. If you've voted before, you voted for someone based on them telling you why they'd be good at the job, and if you didn't believe them then you should have voted for someone else it not bothered.

I wasn't claiming MPs are super-intellects, my point was explaining how our political system works. Someone earlier wasn't sure on what a representative is. I suspect it's a common misunderstanding.
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But you were implying that the people who do vote for them are not intelligent enough
 
I said educated/experienced/knowledgable enough on the subject to take a decision on such a complex matter. I didn't mention intelligence.

I know plenty of intelligent people who by their own admission didn't really understand. I was blaming Cameron not the man in the street.
 
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So, what qualifications do you need to be a politician?
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Mainly need enough muppets togo door to door canvassing voters and singing your praises. Social media has been another great invention for them. Oppose simple stuff like bin charges, complain about health services etc, promise sun moon and stars and the voters will jump on board. Its a very simple formula. Most modern voters will vote anti anything regardless of consequences
 
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Indeed, Much of the Brexit vote was anti politics. Understandable but unfortunate in its consequences. Like I said, I don't believe you should put them in the position to make the decision in the first place.
 
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