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14683938.Saints_optimism_over_Fonte_deal


Well thats that done then.by jose

Also,it seems i have ballsed up that link <laugh>
 
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http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/146...er_Fonte_deal/

Here you go, all we need now is a video of Les Reed saying he expects Jose to sign a spanking new deal soon and we will know......he's definitely off. :emoticon-0100-smile

Clearly that's been leaked by the club as the rumours reach a critical head of steam....

I must admit I'm not entirely on course with 'assessing the squad in the heat of the Premier League battle', three 5-0 defeats just before the transfer deadline isn't going to help much :emoticon-0100-smile
 
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Shepherd's Clearing said:
http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/146...er_Fonte_deal/

Here you go, all we need now is a video of Les Reed saying he expects Jose to sign a spanking new deal soon and we will know......he's definitely off. :emoticon-0100-smile

Clearly that's been leaked by the club as the rumours reach a critical head of steam....

I must admit I'm not entirely on course with 'assessing the squad in the heat of the Premier League battle', three 5-0 defeats just before the transfer deadline isn't going to help much :emoticon-0100-smile
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As the manager is only part of the transfer committee, surely Les will be pushing hard to add to the squad as it looks very lightweight to me and lacking goals
 
Dark Lord SFC said:
As the manager is only part of the transfer committee, surely Les will be pushing hard to add to the squad as it looks very lightweight to me and lacking goals
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I think the squad looks short of 2 or 3 players to most of us, except Puell according to The Echo. Makes me laugh that whoever gives this info to The Echo, is putting it on the lap of Puell.
In all seriousness, how long does he need to realise we are a couple of players short?
Just smells of the usual LR tactic, aka, video before Koeman left etc etc.
 
Shepherd's Clearing said:
http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/146...er_Fonte_deal/

Here you go, all we need now is a video of Les Reed saying he expects Jose to sign a spanking new deal soon and we will know......he's definitely off. :emoticon-0100-smile

Clearly that's been leaked by the club as the rumours reach a critical head of steam....

I must admit I'm not entirely on course with 'assessing the squad in the heat of the Premier League battle', three 5-0 defeats just before the transfer deadline isn't going to help much :emoticon-0100-smile
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Thankyou. Yep agree.we still need more players. If it stays as it is we are just a couple of injurys from a real struggle
 
spacedsaint said:
7) we have banked an awful lot of money. We didn't need to spend it really. But now we do. So we have loads of it. And we can afford to buy a truly top class CB. Who here thinks we will?
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I certainly don't think we'll splash the cash on a CB. If we need one, we'll probably buy a world class CB and not spend very much at all. cf Virgil

Vin
 
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Shepherd's Clearing said:
http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/146...er_Fonte_deal/

Here you go, all we need now is a video of Les Reed saying he expects Jose to sign a spanking new deal soon and we will know......he's definitely off. :emoticon-0100-smile

Clearly that's been leaked by the club as the rumours reach a critical head of steam....

I must admit I'm not entirely on course with 'assessing the squad in the heat of the Premier League battle', three 5-0 defeats just before the transfer deadline isn't going to help much :emoticon-0100-smile
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Not sure if it's just me but that link doesn't take me to the Fonte story. This one does though:

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/14683938.Saints_optimism_over_Fonte_deal/?ref=mr&lp=1
 
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Be nice for Fonte to sign an improved contract, but makes no difference to us if he doesn't as we are not extending the length of the contract. We are just being respectful...as easy to make him stick to a lower paid contract as to a higher paid one. Or not.
 
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Pelletron said:
You have to see that in context, though - it just means we can ask more for one of them when one of the big boys comes in for eg. VVD one year into his six year contract. Saints don't hold players to contracts - that is a fact. Its better than no contract, but in the greater scheme, it doesn't do much more.
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Absolutely, but when it gets raised as a "negative" (or slight one) then there really is a sympathetic voice for the Board saying "damned if they do and damned if they don't"
 
ImpSaint said:
Come FLT What has changed in the last 8 weeks? A big club has shown interest in him that is what has happened. That has never happened before and while Cardiffs and Hull are the ones interested then he can quite clearly dismiss transfer rumours. There's a big difference.
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Agreed, but this is the man wanting to leave, nothing the Board have done wrong.

Also Imps, remember the context of my posts on this thread (apart from my first one).... They are about me defending the Board with those suggesting in various ways negativity to them.. This is all about Fonte and his decisions and nothing the Board can or could do about it really. I am responding to all those that have hinted negativity towards the Board.

I reserve the right to continually counter those who somehow feel the Board are at fault here.

This is down to Fonte's greed or ambition (see, I'm giving people an option there) and not down to the Board.
 
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Pelletron said:
I believe we will win something, and so do you. But a player who believes he has five years to achieve something is less likely to. In some ways, Leicester winning the PL has made it less likely for the rest of us, as its awoken the sleeping giants. So we are unlikely to be able to keep high performers from the top end of the pitch beyond two years. That doesn't mean I don't believe in it, though. Leicester did it in two years, of course (I know it seems like one, but it was really two).
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Or...

Leicester winning the league and Wigan winning the FA Cup has shown people anything is possible..


Always a flip side :)
 
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ImpSaint said:
We are talking Man U, Liverpool, Arsenal, Tottenham......Whether Saints fans like it or not these are all much much bigger clubs than us AND much more likely to win trophies than Saints and yes they do pay more however like I said in my last post I find it laughable that people think that Fonte who has been a top performer in 4 PL seasons running and showed he is a great leader of a defence which was then confirmed by his performances in a national team that played a stifling defensive game and WON the European championships would be thought of as backup. He would be first choice.

I don't have any gripes if Fonte wants the move. I would be disappointed but all the negativity and vitriol on here is ridiculous. Jose owes us Loyalty? For what? Giving him the opportunity to play at the highest level? Did we offer him that or did he help provide that by joining us? Even Stevens there IMO. Without players like Fonte we wouldn't be where we are now so all this about him owing us is way off the mark. The guy dropped a division to play for us. What did we do for him personally? I mean something he didn't have a hand in? Ahh yes we gave him better contracts...........and what does that mean? We paid him what most other clubs of our size/league finish are paying players of his calibre.

So yes I will be disappointed......very disappointed but I won't be that ranting about moving for money if he chooses to move and play for the world's biggest club rather than us and I won't be blaming some perceived culture at the club either. The club are punching well above their weight and are virtually powerless to stop this sort of thing happening. If a player gets the chance to play for one of the world's biggest clubs with more chance of silverware (and that includes Spurs and Liverpool unfortunately) then there is not a lot we can do.

I said it before all this spin about refusing to sell Schneiderlin and forcing him to stay. It is very easy to put that spin on things when the only offer that comes in is £10m. If it had been a higher bid in the region of Man Us then it would have been very hard to explain away to the player and Schneiderlin would probably have had a stinker of a season. Same with Wanyama. What was the bid that came in for him the season before he left?

If one of our players goes to a smaller club than us or even a club only slightly bigger like West Ham because the wages offered are higher then yes it is all about the money but in this instance like all the others Fonte will be moving to a bigger club that has more chance of success and he will be very much a first choice player however short term that plan is. You don't go from where he was last season (and the prior 3) with us to coming into a national side during a tournament and drastically improving their defence to not good enough to play for Man Utd. He will be their first choice this season if they buy him.
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I will be pissed off with him if he leaves.

And just to be clear (as you quoted me) I haven't mentioned him being loyal to us once.
 
ImpSaint said:
I think they do buy into our ambition but at the time we sign them we are their "best suitors." Much as we like to make fun of Liverpool they are much more likely to string a title winning season together even if it is a one off than we are and when they or Man U or Tottenham or Arsenal come calling a player will want the move to the bigger club. It isn't not believing our ambition but realistically our ambition will be much longer term to achieve than the big clubs. For the foreseeable future they are all in a much better position to achieve those ambitions in a shorter timeframe than us.

I think people need to get some perspective here. We have ambitions and we are proving that we can improve year on year but just as Leicester have suffered (and we have already said on here they'll struggle to be top 6 this year) their players (and Vardy may still move who knows) are jumping at the better opportunity as they see it. Yes they will earn more money but at the end of the day they are moving to clubs that have a better chance than us of success. Doesn't mean those clubs will finish ahead of us because this is sport but on paper they do have the better chance and we confound the "paper" by beating others that should be higher up.

How many players have demanded moves from Chelsea because of their season last? Answer is none because they know that despite Chelsea's performance last season they still (on paper) have a better chance than teams like Southampton.
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Again impsaint, just for clarity, my point is that it is the player's fault and not the Boards. We are what we are and me more than almost any other poster has shown that over the last 5 years of posting and expectation. I'm not the one moaning that we don't win things or spend zillions of pounds.

My whole point is that people are blaming the Board and that is wrong. The Board have done and shown every possible effort to make this club look like a winning club and in the end they've been stuffed by agents, players and tapping up.

All my posts here are to tell those complaining or having slight digs at the Board that it is not their fault. You seem to be responding to my posts on the "I understand why Fonte would go" but that is not the real context of my posts. For me I am just trying to put the "blame" with the players as I genuinely believe the Board can not do anything else.

Please note that I don't see you moaning or being negative at the Board, but other posters.

I think that unfair.
 
I Sorry I Ruined The Party said:
IMO, this is a false dichotomy. Obviously, Fonte has made things difficult and is being a bit of a jerk. At the same time, players do this. It's the Board's job handle it. If they aren't prepared to find solutions to players being greedy, they re in the wrong job.

For me I don't care who is morally at fault. Just want it handled to the best advantage of the club. It's not easy because yes, players are greedy and we don't have as much money as others. But the board aren't helpless either.

It was known that Fonte was playing in Euro. And that a good Euro would increase his value. So maybe we should have acted quicker. It's also possible that he believes if he's as important to the club as we say, then why did everyone else get their extensions done first? Maybe the extension we are offering him now is one that he would have happily signed instantly when the season ended, but we offered him a smaller one first and then he saw what others are getting, and now he feels like he's only begrudgingly getting a deal and not fully appreciated. Maybe really, it does come down to the fact that while he would have turned down Everton he feels a bond of trust was broken because he wasn't notified.

And in most if not all of those cases, I would feel like Fonte is being a bit unreasonable. But it is what it is, and the fact is (if any of the above are true) that the board could have prevented this.

Personally, I'm not that attached to guys and have already taken a licking on that other thread for my "every player has a price, play hardball and let them go if they want" attitude. So I'm not particularly annoyed or disillusioned by the Fonte situation.

But that doesn't mean that fair questions can't be asked about whether the board could have handled things differently. And to me, by and large most of the questions being asked have been fair, despite my disagreement with them.
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You really think the Board could have done something different for a player that they already had given a new contract within the last 12 months and allegedly have an agreement in place to keep him the club' highest paid player?

You are also the person who questioned all the contract renewals. Now I'm not sure what you mean by "acting quicker" before the Euros, but are you suggesting a further new contract? That sort of slaps in the face all your discussion with Onionman this last two days!!

Please tell me what else they could have done then. For all the "fair questions being asked" I haven't read one offer of a possible action the Board could have taken, with exception of NZ who said adopt a "don't sell" policy.
 
Its probably just me, but I find I'm becoming more and more disillusioned with modern day footer shenanigans ie Koeman, Fonte etc.etc?
Why someone would go on Twitter, Facebook, Snapchat or whatever other social media tools exist to make snide references to a move away when he's signed a new contract only 5 minutes ago is totally beyond me?
The club then reacts by offering him a new improved contract and the World now waits for his next pronouncement via social media, hoping desperately for a positive coded message?.
I'd prefer the club to make a stand and turn down offers that may or may not arrive, and tell the player to get over it.
If Man U are really after a CH I'd be more worried about VVD being on their radar.
 
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