HCST Protest Plans

[balkan tiger]

It was more for discussion, but okay, I'll chuck in one I raised before. No doubt it'll get taken as a mission statement, rather than a starter for thought, but there it is.

The red card thing works for getting people involved, but it didn't change the outcome of the membership scheme. It's purpose is more to show that people want a change. So I don't have a problem in that respect.

What I do feel is that things like that are limited, and unlkely to create a change in themselves. It needs approaching from several angles and an important part of that is opening up as many ways as possible for fans to discuss any options without it just becoming a playground.

One is to look for ways that we as fans can make the club attractive to buyers. Showing positive unity and passion is one way that the energy created by the protests can be channelled, which would give it more popular support. That could be just by helping groups of fans create an atmosphere.

That doesn't need the club's involvement. Fans doing things despite the Allams will show them as irrelevant. Ignoring them, or ridiculing them will be more effective than confrontation, can be more fun, and more inclusive.

The successes we've seen, have pretty much all been ultimately down to the Prem/fl's rule book. We need more consideration to having rules enforced, or changed.

Another option is to either look for a buyer, or look to ways that fans could buy the club.

You still have this fluffy liberal idea of all the fans uniting together and singing from the same hymn sheet. There is 1 link and that is Hull City but there are as many sub groups as you can imagine. Bringing them together in a meeting would be like on here but with fisty cuffs. In the ground some will sing lots won't, a winning team on the pitch will help the atmosphere but this season there will be more depression than celebration during game time. The red card thing is the best idea for uniting fans that has been thought of for years, as i said earlier easy to do, nothing to pay, no club to join, no marches and the bigger thing is that those doing it will get a sense of unity, of being together, a realisation that they can protest without fear. From that the next steps can be taken but lets get the first foot firmly planted before moving on.

On a lighter note we are looking for a buyer by pushing our forum friends in the USA to buy lotto tickets.

 

[DMD]

You still have this fluffy liberal idea of all the fans uniting together and singing from the same hymn sheet. There is 1 link and that is Hull City but there are as many sub groups as you can imagine. Bringing them together in a meeting would be like on here but with fisty cuffs. In the ground some will sing lots won't, a winning team on the pitch will help the atmosphere but this season there will be more depression than celebration during game time. The red card thing is the best idea for uniting fans that has been thought of for years, as i said earlier easy to do, nothing to pay, no club to join, no marches and the bigger thing is that those doing it will get a sense of unity, of being together, a realisation that they can protest without fear. From that the next steps can be taken but lets get the first foot firmly planted before moving on.

On a lighter note we are looking for a buyer by pushing our forum friends in the USA to buy lotto tickets.

I haven't suggested getting everyone together. I have no fluffy ideals. The nearest to that is thinking people holding up a card for a few minutes before the game is itself enough.

I wish people would read what's put, instead of adding peculiar twists that originate from others, not me.

Okay, you like the idea of the red cards. I've said I don't have a problem as far as they go, but I think we need more.

Do you think red cards alone are enough? If not, what else do you suggest?

 

[balkan tiger]

I haven't suggested getting everyone together. I have no fluffy ideals. The nearest to that is thinking people holding up a card for a few minutes before the game is itself enough.

I wish people would read what's put, instead of adding peculiar twists that originate from others, not me.

Okay, you like the idea of the red cards. I've said I don't have a problem as far as they go, but I think we need more.

Do you think red cards alone are enough? If not, what else do you suggest?

Iv'e read your post again and i still can't see your one for starters suggestion of what should be done, apart from this

"One is to look for ways that we as fans can make the club attractive to buyers. Showing positive unity and passion is one way that the energy created by the protests can be channelled, which would give it more popular support. That could be just by helping groups of fans create an atmosphere"

Is that your one for starters? What the **** does it mean we should do in the real world? Now go back and read what i said about the red cards.

 

[DMD]

Iv'e read your post again and i still can't see your one for starters suggestion of what should be done, apart from this

"One is to look for ways that we as fans can make the club attractive to buyers. Showing positive unity and passion is one way that the energy created by the protests can be channelled, which would give it more popular support. That could be just by helping groups of fans create an atmosphere"

Is that your one for starters? What the **** does it mean we should do in the real world? Now go back and read what i said about the red cards.

It's a starter for discussion. I posted others.

So what else do you suggest over and above holding up a red card?

 

[Double_Dragon]

Not reading through all this guff but I suspect we might see a pitch invasion at some point against Leicester.

 

[TIGERSCAVE]

Not reading through all this guff but I suspect we might see a pitch invasion at some point against Leicester.

I understand peoples anger, but I do hope it doesn't boil over.... as it stands, with the press comment today and Sky.. many more know about our plight... what we really don't need is to be scandalised as being losers off the pitch. If you see anyone about to do it, give them a pull..

 

[TIGERSCAVE]

Me for one+ made a donation to the war chest ALLAMS OUT

OLM.. I thought you were going to put something up about a donations page ..or have I missed it..?

 

[PLT]

OLM.. I thought you were going to put something up about a donations page ..or have I missed it..?

The donation button can be found on the website now. It's on the article about the protests. Follow OLM'S link and you'll see it.

 

[PLT]

Also just to correct something, we hadn't actually chased the media with this statement, so Cortez, you've actually done us a favour there. Cheers.

 

[Cortez91]

Also just to correct something, we hadn't actually chased the media with this statement, so Cortez, you've actually done us a favour there. Cheers.

Ah no problem.

 

[City Man]

I understand peoples anger, but I do hope it doesn't boil over.... as it stands, with the press comment today and Sky.. many more know about our plight... what we really don't need is to be scandalised as being losers off the pitch. If you see anyone about to do it, give them a pull..

Hang on, aren't you in the police?

 

[Double_Dragon]

I understand peoples anger, but I do hope it doesn't boil over.... as it stands, with the press comment today and Sky.. many more know about our plight... what we really don't need is to be scandalised as being losers off the pitch. If you see anyone about to do it, give them a pull..

Too many people have been biting their tongues for too long, I've got no doubt a pitch invasion will upset sone people but there's a group of our fans (a militant minority you could call them) who are sick of the wishy washy approach towards the owners.

It needs stepping up in a big way and waving pieces of red card around will get us nowhere.

 

[Cortez91]

Too many people have been biting their tongues for too long, I've got no doubt a pitch invasion will upset sone people but there's a group of our fans (a militant minority you could call them) who are sick of the wishy washy approach towards the owners.

It needs stepping up in a big way and waving pieces of red card around will get us nowhere.

The problem is: you don't want to give anybody an excuse to then label us hooligans because you've instantly lost. The media will turn on us and it'll cause a divide in the fans.

 

[Double_Dragon]

The problem is: you don't want to give anybody an excuse to then label us hooligans because you've instantly lost. The media will turn on us and it'll cause a divide in the fans.

I'd rather be labelled a hooligan then a doormat which is exactly what our fanbase has been for the past 3 years. You talk about creating a divide in the fans but as far as I'm concerned there's been a divide ever since only a meagre 2000 of us could be bothered to protest against the identity of the club being obliterated.

If pieces of red card is all that we can come up with then people will start looking for alternative ways of getting their point across.

 

[Cortez91]

I'd rather be labelled a hooligan then a doormat which is exactly what our fanbase has been for the past 3 years. You talk about creating a divide in the fans but as far as I'm concerned there's been a divide ever since only a meagre 2000 of us could be bothered to protest against the identity of the club being obliterated.

If pieces of red card is all that we can come up with then people will start looking for alternative ways of getting their point across.

I'm not against other means of protest. I just don't think running on the pitch will be the answer.

 

[What? A full dog?]

I dont want to put words in Dutchs mouth but i think what he's getting at is people just come on here and let off a bit of steam saying, The Allams just **** off now ****s!!. It doesnt achieve anything does it.

Dutch keeps asking is there anything else. Personally i think a half emtpy stadium just looks to others as we are small time. They might say oh ye you got bad owners but will wonder about why so many have given up.
A full stadium united in a protest sends a more unified message. IMHO

I agree to some extent that a half empty stadium in itself doesn't get across any point about the protests. But along with some of the media coverage we now seem to be getting, it will be effective in letting the media and other football fans know that this is not just rubbish support, but an active boycot.

Also, taking our situation aside, the simple fact that fans are willing to boycot clubs with unscrupulous owners sends out a longer term message throughout football that football fans will not just sit back and accept the c**p that is thrown at then by owners. If in the long term any boycot of a city game dissuades one unscrupulous potential owner from buying a football club and persuades other owners to listen to the fans, then this is the victory we are fighting for.

If people want to protest in the ground, absolutely fine, but make it vocal and clear for all watching to understand the issues.

 

[City Man]

Can anyone get their hands on a drone capable of squirting high-powered jets of hot raw sewage from distance for a week on Sat?

 

[Amin Arrears]

Can anyone get their hands on a drone capable of squirting high-powered jets of hot raw sewage from distance for a week on Sat?

If people have the drones I could knock up the squirting device.

 

[Cortez91]

I agree to some extent that a half empty stadium in itself doesn't get across any point about the protests. But along with some of the media coverage we now seem to be getting, it will be effective in letting the media and other football fans know that this is not just rubbish support, but an active boycot.

Also, taking our situation aside, the simple fact that fans are willing to boycot clubs with unscrupulous owners sends out a longer term message throughout football that football fans will not just sit back and accept the c**p that is thrown at then by owners. If in the long term any boycot of a city game dissuades one unscrupulous potential owner from buying a football club and persuades other owners to listen to the fans, then this is the victory we are fighting for.

If people want to protest in the ground, absolutely fine, but make it vocal and clear for all watching to understand the issues.

The issue we've got here is some fans will see it as having already paid for their ticket so they're going to see the game regardless of protest. I can't see parents holding their kids on the concourse either so a stadium boycott probably won't work despite the fact it would be really effective and send the message clearly.

 

[What? A full dog?]

The issue we've got here is some fans will see it as having already paid for their ticket so they're going to see the game regardless of protest. I can't see parents holding their kids on the concourse either so a stadium boycott probably won't work despite the fact it would be really effective and send the message clearly.

From what I read on here (happy to be corrected) membership sales have been very low and we are looking at well under capacity gate for the Leicester game, so if fans actively refrain from buying memberships and tickets from now, then a boycot will happen. How much under capacity remains to be seen. Of course if people have already purchased memberships, fine, but please give it some welly in the stadium.