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TheSecondStain said:
I am all for putting the correct structure in place FLT, like the German Way, but I don't see why we can't make the best of the current playing group. The Germans didn't abandon their national expectations while they rebuilt. Which is why I'm suggesting a manager for the players of now, and a football director for the long term. You can't expect a whole group to suddenly emerge from the seed roots, take the wrapping off and play brilliantly. They have to learn too. But they have to do it in a structure that gradually phases out the older players and the older structure. By the way, this has all been done before. When Alf Ramsey was appointed, the England setup underwent a fundamental change. Indeed, his demand for taking the job was that he was to be allowed to change the system to his way, or he wasn't interested. And England were not a bad team before his appointment. They at least played to the sum of their parts. Ramsey's teams over achieved and eventually underachieved, and that's more or less what we've had to the present day, apart from Bobby Robson's 1990's WC semi-final. The present one clearly doesn't play to the sum of their parts, so it is not unreasonable that there should be some proper attention spent there. But I agree, let's revamp the FA system, because it isn't working well enough.
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The Germans did actually abandon national expectation. They said they were starting again and rebuilding and they told the country and the media. They got it right very quickly though.

If you don't remove that expectation, we will always be looking short term. I stand by my view. We will not get it right unless we start again and focus lower down the chain. Don't worry about the first team. What happens, happens.

I read lots of people talking about getting the current group of players to do more, however I've heard that for nearly every group of players for the last 40 years. We need to change the make up and mind set of how we teach football. We are behind so many nations.
 
fatletiss said:
The Germans did actually abandon national expectation. They said they were starting again and rebuilding and they told the country and the media. They got it right very quickly though.

If you don't remove that expectation, we will always be looking short term. I stand by my view. We will not get it right unless we start again and focus lower down the chain. Don't worry about the first team. What happens, happens.

I read lots of people talking about getting the current group of players to do more, however I've heard that for nearly every group of players for the last 40 years. We need to change the make up and mind set of how we teach football. We are behind so many nations.
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Tbf, I think they have tried to drop the level of expectancy. But sure enough, the media get involved and as soon as you can say Tournament.! they're back on the case for expectation with, in some otherwise respectable places saying we can win this!

I think I've said several times before that my expectations of any England team doing anything like playing up to their ability, died when Brian Clough wasn't appointed, so that's how long I personally haven't been caught up in the fervour. Perhaps I ought to manufacture my own low expectation for England tablets, bottle them and sell them. I'd make a fortune.

However, what you can't do is abandon the current crop. Just don't start giving out hope when they start their inevitable out-of-tournament winning again.
 
This is the correct decision. I have changed my mind in the last couple of years - did not realise how much he was at the front of modern coaching. That said, it was a while ago now, so not a guaranteed success, but the best option.
 
Kevin Nolan must have thought his chance at being England captain had gone but no. Dreams can come true kids!
 
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fatletiss said:
The Germans did actually abandon national expectation. They said they were starting again and rebuilding and they told the country and the media. They got it right very quickly though.

If you don't remove that expectation, we will always be looking short term. I stand by my view. We will not get it right unless we start again and focus lower down the chain. Don't worry about the first team. What happens, happens.

I read lots of people talking about getting the current group of players to do more, however I've heard that for nearly every group of players for the last 40 years. We need to change the make up and mind set of how we teach football. We are behind so many nations.
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Not sure if you read this, but it's an interesting insight into the German remodelling:
http://www.fourfourtwo.com/features...s-restructure-and-why-it-wouldnt-work-england
 
The world has truly gone truly ****ing mad. First Brexit, then that idiot Johnson as our Foreign Secretary and now Fat Sam as England Manager. People can't be trusted to make the "right" decisions anymore. I am going to hide under the blankets until it is safe to come out again.
 
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St Godders said:
The world has truly gone truly ****ing mad. First Brexit, then that idiot Johnson as our Foreign Secretary and now Fat Sam as England Manager. People can't be trusted to make the "right" decisions anymore. I am going to hide under the blankets until it is safe to come out again.
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Better take some supplies Godders, you could be under there some time.
 
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Qwerty said:
This is the correct decision. I have changed my mind in the last couple of years - did not realise how much he was at the front of modern coaching. That said, it was a while ago now, so not a guaranteed success, but the best option.
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And he made Carroll play on when he couldn't weight bear on one leg!
 
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fatletiss said:
Not sure about what LM? This article basically said that the German FA started again and despite resistance from clubs, forced better development of kids and it paid off.

Have I missed what you meant?
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The article seemed to imply that Premier league clubs with so much foreign ownership wold have no vested interest in improving the national team, whereas the German clubs are largely fan owned. It also mentioned that the German FA and the German league retain good cooperation since their split so found it easier implementing the changes they introduced. Just the coaching facilities, training of coaches etc that the German FA implemented wouldn't get past the first hurdle.
I think the article is right, and that the Premier league would resist any extensive changes as it serves them no purpose.
And that's the problem, we need any ground up restructuring of coaching methods and facilities to be funded in part by the big teams, and enforced by the FA. One group is too selfish, the other too weak.
 
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