The steward thread.

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Happy Tiger said:
I've not kept my viewpoint change secret.

But yes, if someone like me wants them to sell and go, it's bad I agree. I still won't wish them any ill, nor have I changed my mind on what they've done or tried to do, apart from the concessions which was the watershed moment for me. I like the idea of the scheme, i just think it was badly implemented, and the lack of concessions really pissed me off. No idea why, I don't benefit from them.
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I agree regarding concessions. You want to encourage the next generation of supporter, not shun them away.

I was talking to a Man City ST holder about this earlier in the week and he said it's really easy to police. They have automated turnstiles with coloured lights, which come on above the turnstile in the concourse. It lights one colour for an adult and one colour for a concession. Stewards watch the lights to ensure adults aren't coming through on concession tickets. Not fool proof I'm sure, but given the chances are much greater being caught, it will no doubt diminish the desire for fans taking the risk.
 
Hull City AFC (GLP) said:
I agree regarding concessions. You want to encourage the next generation of supporter, not shun them away.

I was talking to a Man City ST holder about this earlier in the week and he said it's really easy to police. They have automated turnstiles with coloured lights, which come on above the turnstile in the concourse. It lights one colour for an adult and one colour for a concession. Stewards watch the lights to ensure adults aren't coming through on concession tickets. Not fool proof I'm sure, but given the chances are much greater being caught, it will no doubt diminish the desire for fans taking the risk.
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They have that light system at City too. As with most things right now, the given reason for a change and the actual reason for a change at Hull City are not quite the same thing.
 
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Hull City AFC (GLP) said:
I was talking to a Man City ST holder about this earlier in the week and he said it's really easy to police. They have automated turnstiles with coloured lights, which come on above the turnstile in the concourse. It lights one colour for an adult and one colour for a concession. Stewards watch the lights to ensure adults aren't coming through on concession tickets. Not fool proof I'm sure, but given the chances are much greater being caught, it will no doubt diminish the desire for fans taking the risk.
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We've already got that system.
 
originallambrettaman said:
We've already got that system.
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Hadn't noticed the twin light system on the concourse? How can a much bigger club than us manage it successfully yet we can't? I don't actually believe we have the same system at all. For a start the barcode scanners are simply utterly useless.
 
Hull City AFC (GLP) said:
Hadn't noticed the twin light system on the concourse? How can a much bigger club than us manage it successfully yet we can't? I don't actually believe we have the same system at all. For a start the barcode scanners are simply utterly useless.
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I didn't mean we had exactly the same system, I just meant that we have the two colour light system as you'd described.
 
Wonder if they've implemented the same system to stop people moving from the cheap zones into the empty, pricier zones?
 
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originallambrettaman said:
I didn't mean we had exactly the same system, I just meant that we have the two colour light system as you'd described.
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Still, how can it work for other clubs, yet we can't?

That is one of they key reasons they launched the 'membership' scheme, aside from reduced administrative costs was the fact last season adults were using concession tickets (Kids) for match day entry.

If it worked in the same way, it should have been quite simple to identify offending attendees?
 
Hull City AFC (GLP) said:
Still, how can it work for other clubs, yet we can't?

That is one of they key reasons they launched the 'membership' scheme, aside from reduced administrative costs was the fact last season adults were using concession tickets (Kids) for match day entry.

If it worked in the same way, it should have been quite simple to identify offending attendees?
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It can work for us its just the Allams don't want to do what is necessary to make it work.
 
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Hull City AFC (GLP) said:
Still, how can it work for other clubs, yet we can't?

That is one of they key reasons they launched the 'membership' scheme, aside from reduced administrative costs was the fact last season adults were using concession tickets (Kids) for match day entry.

If it worked in the same way, it should have been quite simple to identify offending attendees?
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The problem was not that we didn't know who were using concession passes, the lights clearly showed that, the problem was that the stewards manning them were working with the people accessing them.
 
originallambrettaman said:
That's exactly what they did, that's why we no longer have manned turnstiles.
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They sacked the turnstile operators not the stewards.

Minor point though. Why didn't they just sack the dishonest ones? If you say they were all dishonest I'll pass that information on to some of my ex-colleagues who used to work there. I'm sure they'd be pleased to hear it.

Whilst I'm here on another matter related to stewards and the safety certificate. I'd heard the number of stewards is dependent on the number of children in the stands. If this is true and without any indication of how many children will be attending how are City going to ensure they have sufficient stewards on duty?
 
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Obadiah said:
They sacked the turnstile operators not the stewards.

Minor point though. Why didn't they just sack the dishonest ones? If you say they were all dishonest I'll pass that information on to some of my ex-colleagues who used to work there. I'm sure they'd be pleased to hear it.

Whilst I'm here on another matter related to stewards and the safety certificate. I'd heard the number of stewards is dependent on the number of children in the stands. If this is true and without any indication of how many children will be attending how are City going to ensure they have sufficient stewards on duty?
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Simple. Kids can't afford to go.
 
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Obadiah said:
They sacked the turnstile operators not the stewards.

Minor point though. Why didn't they just sack the dishonest ones? If you say they were all dishonest I'll pass that information on to some of my ex-colleagues who used to work there. I'm sure they'd be pleased to hear it.

Whilst I'm here on another matter related to stewards and the safety certificate. I'd heard the number of stewards is dependent on the number of children in the stands. If this is true and without any indication of how many children will be attending how are City going to ensure they have sufficient stewards on duty?
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I have absolutely no idea how many people were involved and it obviously won't have been all of them.

As far as I'm aware, the amount of stewards at a game is determined by the amount of people attending, I don't think their age is relevant.
 
Obadiah said:
They sacked the turnstile operators not the stewards.

Minor point though. Why didn't they just sack the dishonest ones? If you say they were all dishonest I'll pass that information on to some of my ex-colleagues who used to work there. I'm sure they'd be pleased to hear it.

Whilst I'm here on another matter related to stewards and the safety certificate. I'd heard the number of stewards is dependent on the number of children in the stands. If this is true and without any indication of how many children will be attending how are City going to ensure they have sufficient stewards on duty?
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The number of stewards isn't dependant on that. The number of stewards doesn't really alter as they have to have stewards for each exit point whether 12, 15, or 20,000 are in the stadium if all stands are open. The only way to reduce the numbers is if you close a stand, or a tier of it as far as I know. You can request no police in the ground apart from the match commander if the required number of stewards are fully met. The first club who insisted on that and got their way were Scarborough when they were in the league. Of course Humberside Plod are having none of that.
 
originallambrettaman said:
I have absolutely no idea how many people were involved and it obviously won't have been all of them.

As far as I'm aware, the amount of stewards at a game is determined by the amount of people attending, I don't think their age is relevant.
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The age isn't relevant in itself, but it is a factor in the expectation of behaviour, and that can affect the other bits of the calculations for the recommendations.

2,000 on a saga trip need different considerations to 2,000 children, and 2,000 18-30 year olds are different again.
 
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