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Discussion in 'Queens Park Rangers' started by Stroller, Jun 25, 2015.

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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

Poll closed Jun 24, 2016.
  1. Stay in

    56 vote(s)
    47.9%
  2. Get out

    61 vote(s)
    52.1%
  1. Uber_Hoop

    Uber_Hoop Well-Known Member

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    Farage's behaviour is, of course, not beyond reproach but, in fairness to the man, he's never been in a position of governmental power. He headed up a protest party somewhat on the periphery of things which never had a remote chance of wielding any real power either side of the referendum. Whether he remained as UKIP leader or he effs off and does "I'm A Non-Entity..." is something on an inconsequence in the grand scheme of things. Was anybody seriously expecting him to become a member of the Brexit negotiating team?
     
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  2. TheBigDipper

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    All totally valid, credible points - except the one about me being cynical, honest!

    Ever heard the saying "A pessimist is what an optimist calls a realist?". That's been the bedrock of my entire working life in the cesspool of corporate business. I'm the realist, I look like a pessimist to optimists and I get my stuff in on time and under budget because I planned in advance for the pitfalls that might appear.

    All I was doing was pointing out reasons why your suggestion that Siemens statement proved something about our post-Brexit future may not be valid. I hope it does, but I bet that wasn't in Siemens minds when they said it.
     
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  3. durbar2003

    durbar2003 Well-Known Member

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    When is Siemens leaving?
     
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  4. Uber_Hoop

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    One swallow doesn't make a bukkake party, of course, but I very much hope that we see more businesses stepping forward to make similar statements.
     
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  5. sb_73

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    12 energy companies have dumped their fixed price tariffs citing rising gas and electricity wholesale costs post Brexit and falling £ (bit of a bounce back today, it's good to have a leader. If she has a plan it will be even better). Average increase in gas and electricity costs £105 per household. We remain dependent on gas and power from Europe and beyond, though solar overtook coal as a power source briefly recently.

    Good chance that the UK might be attractive to foreign investors going forward if whoever is the next Chancellor sticks to the low corporate tax regime Osborne wants (though how that sits with May's pretty anti big business rhetoric of yesterday who knows) and if the £ settles permanently lower we can specialise in exporting stuff cheap.
     
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  6. rangercol

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    It's not all doom and gloom.
    The FTSE100 hit an 11 month high yesterday;
    The FTSE250 was up 3.5%;
    The pound leapt against the dollar and euro;
    Boeing is planning to build a £100million British site in a £3billion deal supplying the UK with new marine patrol planes;
    The London Index is up 20% on this year's low;
    At the Farnborough air show, firms have announced multi-billion pound deals;
    Richard Branson's Virgin Atlantic have aigned a £3.4billion order with Airbus for 12 aircraft. The wings to be made in the UK and Rolls Royce will supply engines;
    Shares in several house building companies have risen more than 7%;
    Banks have had a rally in share prices.
    Hardly armageddon.
     
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  7. rangercol

    rangercol Well-Known Member

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    Farage has achieved everything he set out to do.
    Out of all of them, he's the one entitled to walk away with the job done.
     
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  8. durbar2003

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    Doom and Gloom
     
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  9. ELLERS

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    They didn't need to 'run away' they failed because they tried to put the fear of god into the Brexit voters. Osbourne will not get a post (i think anyway). However i can see some of the brexit team getting jobs.
     
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  10. Rangers Til I Die

    Rangers Til I Die Well-Known Member

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    I fear the Brexiters are not going to like this.
    Last week I got an email telling me the famous petition was done, dusted and out.
    Today I get an email to inform me that the petitions committee has decided it will be discussed afterall!
    Coincidence with appointment of TM, due process or conspiracy?
     
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  11. sb_73

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    Fair enough Col. Good to see someone has the effort to find some alternative perspectives.
     
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  12. ELLERS

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    My mate worked for a German company here and they relocated to France laying off 400, Guess what that was 4-6 years ago when we were in the EU. It happens all the time. Companies move around to save money. As for the line 'I wonder if people realise how much is at stake here' ? You sound like project fear. Not all Brexit voters are thick racists.
     
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  13. ELLERS

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    I don't think it matters what you say Col. A lot of the remain voters are so doom and gloom. I said recently that a respected business analyst said we were better out of the EU and it was dismissed.
    I for one am looking forward to the future out of the EU and from what i keep hearing on the business channel, the UK is in a very good position to get good deals.
     
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  14. ELLERS

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    RTID, there will be a debate and the outcome will be the same.
     
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  15. sb_73

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    Labour Party preparing to eat itself, and getting nasty with bricks through windows, much nastiness at a party meeting in Brighton from both sides apparently. From what I have just heard on the news all those people who have joined Labour in the last couple of weeks won't get a vote, unless they pay an extra £25 and if the £3 members from last year haven't stumped up £25 for this year, neither will they. Still would expect Corbyn to win and the party to split, probably a good result for the country.
     
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  16. Stroller

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    Who's been responsible for border security and immigration control for the last 6 years?
     
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  17. ELLERS

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    Yes Sb i heard the same. Seems to be a bit of a fix. The bricks and stuff is wrong and the idiots that do that need to get a life. Labour are in a mess and if a snap GE was called, they would get stuffed.
     
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  18. ELLERS

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    That was May but her hands were tied. She had no say on numbers but it will be different in the future.
    I said before she didn't get the nickname Teresa 'deport' May for nothing.
     
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  19. sb_73

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    I think May could be regretting saying she wouldn't call a quick election. I think people are craving a bit of stability and direction, and she would be the obvious choice before the minutiae of Brexit negotiations and debate gets overwhelming, and possibly divisive again within the Tory party. UKIP leaderless, Tories have a relatively popular leader in Scotland and nothing to lose there, Lib Dems invisible.
     
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