Off Topic EU deabte. Which way are you voting ?

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How will you vote in the EU referendum ?


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Sorry, of course, let me come to it differently.

The ideology and approach of Corbyn is, according to the PLP, not considered to be a basis for being elected to power. They believe it is better to persuade him to stand down or depose him so their ambition can have it's way (far from certain). They do this despite knowing that a massive element of their grassroots support strongly support him and his unabashed stance.

When is ambition bigger or more important than principl and political and philosophical integrity?

When does someone say **** it, go away and form a new party of naked ambition and leave a Labour Party that is returning to it's core values?

When is an issue big enough to split a political party?

Any better?

Ahh I see - so your saying when should the Party (or PLP) look at the bigger picture and look at definitely getting elected rather than follow it's party democracy?

I'd say to you that without listening to democracy and what the people want then there's no chance the party will get elected. But the PLP know this, that is why they are only putting stoolies up against Corbyn. Their real purpose is to remove Corbyn before the Chilcott report comes out next week so that the Leader of the Opposition doesn't demand from the Despatch Box that Labour Party grandees and a former Prime Minister is tried for War Crimes.

I'd say it is nothing at all to do with ambition - or at least to correct myself it is all to do with ambition but just the personal ambition of the Blairities and protecting their own. Nothing to do with the country, it's best interests or getting power.

If it was then this coup would have happened months before the Brexit and not at exactly the perfect time to attack the Tories when they were at their weakest and most divided in decades!

Expect to see a lot more attacks - probably ramping up the ludicrous claim that Corbyn is an anti-semite, that he has no support, that he is a terrorist-lover, that he hates Britain, that is responsible for Brexit, that is too scruffy to become PM and a few other things - maybe that he is the reincarnation of Trotsky perhaps.
 
Are they going to debate or vote on it in parliament? I don't know, but I'm sure I've heard it called an advisory referendum. Some calm clarity on this would help.
The European Communities Act 1972 has to be repealed.
There's many views on how binding the referendum is but I think most constitutional experts say it is binding and the MPs have to repeal the Act. Although a lot of people don't see it like that:
http://www.theguardian.com/politics...ng-brexit-lisbon-cameron-sovereign-parliament
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-legal-legislation-constitution-a7105181.html
http://uk.businessinsider.com/green-eu-referendum-not-legally-binding-brexit-2016-6
 
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Ahh I see - so your saying when should the Party (or PLP) look at the bigger picture and look at definitely getting elected rather than follow it's party democracy?

Expect to see a lot more attacks - probably ramping up the ludicrous claim that Corbyn is an anti-semite, that he has no support, that he is a terrorist-lover, that he hates Britain, that is responsible for Brexit, that is too scruffy to become PM and a few other things - maybe that he is the reincarnation of Trotsky perhaps.
He's well known for it. He's actually just casually compared Israel to ISIS, the ****ing nugget.
 
Ahh I see - so your saying when should the Party (or PLP) look at the bigger picture and look at definitely getting elected rather than follow it's party democracy?

I'd say to you that without listening to democracy and what the people want then there's no chance the party will get elected. But the PLP know this, that is why they are only putting stoolies up against Corbyn. Their real purpose is to remove Corbyn before the Chilcott report comes out next week so that the Leader of the Opposition doesn't demand from the Despatch Box that Labour Party grandees and a former Prime Minister is tried for War Crimes.

I'd say it is nothing at all to do with ambition - or at least to correct myself it is all to do with ambition but just the personal ambition of the Blairities and protecting their own. Nothing to do with the country, it's best interests or getting power.

If it was then this coup would have happened months before the Brexit and not at exactly the perfect time to attack the Tories when they were at their weakest and most divided in decades!

Expect to see a lot more attacks - probably ramping up the ludicrous claim that Corbyn is an anti-semite, that he has no support, that he is a terrorist-lover, that he hates Britain, that is responsible for Brexit, that is too scruffy to become PM and a few other things - maybe that he is the reincarnation of Trotsky perhaps.
That wont make a difference to anything. Blair will not be tried for anything.
 
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The European Communities Act 1972 has to be repealed.
There's many views on how binding the referendum is but I think most constitutional experts say it is binding and the MPs have to repeal the Act.
Although a lot of people don't see it like that:
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/23/eu-referendum-legally-binding-brexit-lisbon-cameron-sovereign-parliament
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-legal-legislation-constitution-a7105181.html
http://uk.businessinsider.com/green-eu-referendum-not-legally-binding-brexit-2016-6

Appreciated, I will have a read. I thought there some due process already set in stone for what would happen next, silly me that would be far too simple <laugh>
 
He's well known for it. He's actually just casually compared Israel to ISIS, the ****ing nugget.

When has he made any new interviews or comments on it?

All I saw was him saying that you can't blame every single Jew for the actions of the Israeli Government. Seems like a sensible comment and stance to me. What's wrong with that?
 
He's well known for it. He's actually just casually compared Israel to ISIS, the ****ing nugget.
He didn't do that. He did seem to mention them in the same sentence in such a way to consider there were similarities in their authority but I didn't see any comparison. I think it's advisable for politicians to avoid Hitler and ISIS unless that is the subject under discussion.
 
He didn't do that. He did seem to mention them in the same sentence in such a way to consider there were similarities in their authority but I didn't see any comparison. I think it's advisable for politicians to avoid Hitler and ISIS unless that is the subject under discussion.

But if you are talking about the Albert Hall then sometimes it is unavoidable to talk about Hitler. I mean he has only got one ball and the other is in the Albert Hall!
 
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When has he made any new interviews or comments on it?

All I saw was him saying that you can't blame every single Jew for the actions of the Israeli Government. Seems like a sensible comment and stance to me. What's wrong with that

There's an agenda set by the right wingers which dumb people like @Safc83 fall for that if you criticise the actions of Israel then you hate jews.

Ironically these are the same dumb people that condone terrorism against innocent civilians when they don't agree with the actions of other governments like Turkey. And they see no irony in this lol. Go figure <doh>
 
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Huge rally in Liverpool in support of Corbyn - apparently similar across the Midlands and North today. I went to one in Cardff with a few hundred people yesterday - excellent turn out considering it was advertised only a few hours before and started at 6.
 
When has he made any new interviews or comments on it?

All I saw was him saying that you can't blame every single Jew for the actions of the Israeli Government. Seems like a sensible comment and stance to me. What's wrong with that?
You missed a bit out. What he said was: "Our Jewish friends are no more responsible for the actions of Israel or the Netanyahu Government than our Muslim friends are for those of various self-styled Islamic states or organisations."
I dont think it's comparing the two but it was certainly unwise and would lead to more problems.
 
You missed a bit out. What he said was: "Our Jewish friends are no more responsible for the actions of Israel or the Netanyahu Government than our Muslim friends are for those of various self-styled Islamic states or organisations."
I dont think it's comparing the two but it was certainly unwise and would lead to more problems.

Thank you - my memory for direct quotes is never great. But it's sensible I never understand the accusation of antisemitism when either defending Palestine or criticising the Israeli Government. I mean it's hardly like you accuse someone of hating all Americans just because you didn't like Bush or Obama or their policies, or hate the British because you criticise this government. I mean most Jews don't even live in Israel anyway so how could they be responsible for the Israeli government's actions?
 
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"Our Jewish friends are no more responsible for the actions of Israel or the Netanyahu government than our Muslim friends are for those of various self-styled Islamic states or organizations,"

It's blatantly obvious what he meant. It's there for all to see.
 
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