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[fatletiss]

Was watching the first Thomas Harris filmed novel [Red Dragon], Manhunter [1986] last night [jeez, it's grim, but a heck of a film] and it's got quite 1980's electronic based rock on it. Even has tracks by Shriekback on the soundtrack, and they are offshoots of XTC, probably my favourite band. But as the film unfolded and another track played I was reminded of a lot of released music that I've heard Fable write and sing. The keyboard sounds very very reminiscent.

I remember watching that film years back, just after having read the book. I was a little disappointed because I watched it straight after the book. I have Sen it a few times since and recently; it is a good film. Grim as you say.

Have you seen the modern remake?

 

[Le Tissier's Laces]

Was watching the first Thomas Harris filmed novel [Red Dragon], Manhunter [1986] last night [jeez, it's grim, but a heck of a film] and it's got quite 1980's electronic based rock on it. Even has tracks by Shriekback on the soundtrack, and they are offshoots of XTC, probably my favourite band. But as the film unfolded and another track played I was reminded of a lot of released music that I've heard Fable write and sing. The keyboard sounds very very reminiscent.

Interesting. No obvious references from it I don't think - suspect she's not even seen it - but she's over tomorrow, we'll give it a watch! Thank you.

 

[TheSecondStain]

I remember watching that film years back, just after having read the book. I was a little disappointed because I watched it straight after the book. I have Sen it a few times since and recently; it is a good film. Grim as you say.

Have you seen the modern remake?

Yeah. It didn't have the same impact. That may have been the passing years. But Manhunter shows the vulnerability of Will Graham, which makes me care for his goodwill, especially when you can see the pressure on him to succeed and save the victim is taking it's toll on him. It's a film about Will Graham more than The Tooth Fairy, in my opinion. Actually, Francis Dollarhyde is an awful, tortured creation. At one point, after he has had sex with the blind girl, that he is fond of, you see that he has been denied affection and love entirely from his life, and he shows a human side for a moment. That's very powerful, and it's something that is missing from the 2002 film, in my opinion. It makes his rage all the more menacing and deadly. As Will Graham says at one point. You cry for the child, but you want to blow the sick **** right out of his socks.

EDIT: You and your book then film arrangement. Always do film then book. The book is almost always going to be better, and you can do both.

 

[fatletiss]

EDIT: You and your book then film arrangement. Always do film then book. The book is almost always going to be better, and you can do both.

You're right, however I like to form my own image of the characters I read. It helps work my imagination and get into them. If I see the film first I find it hard to then let my mind wander while reading.

A bit OCD, I know

 

[Schrodinger's Cat]

You're right, however I like to form my own image of the characters I read. It helps work my imagination and get into them. If I see the film first I find it hard to then let my mind wander while reading.

A bit OCD, I know

Thats how I read books FLT - its all about your take on what you think the author means, so you flesh the characters out according to your interpretation. No two people will read the same book and come up with identical stories or characters.
I try to read the books first, but then find the film a disappointment...I can read the book again though,and see how much better the medium is to express a story in than two hours of film.
I love films, but you can't beat a good book...made of paper not pixels

 

[fatletiss]

Thats how I read books FLT - its all about your take on what you think the author means, so you flesh the characters out according to your interpretation. No two people will read the same book and come up with identical stories or characters.
I try to read the books first, but then find the film a disappointment...I can read the book again though,and see how much better the medium is to express a story in than two hours of film.
I love films, but you can't beat a good book...made of paper not pixels

Oh yes, got to hold the thing and turn the pages

 

[Number 1 Jasper]

Oh yes, got to hold the thing and turn the pages

I have a kindle for holidays away, but almost always read the book itself at home .

 

[fatletiss]

I have a kindle for holidays away, but almost always read the book itself at home .

I've not been brave enough to make that move.

 

[Number 1 Jasper]

I've not been brave enough to make that move.

They are convenient, but you and Rj are correct, nothing like the actual page turning.

 

[fran-MLs little camera]

Oh yes, got to hold the thing and turn the pages

Love holding books....tried a friend's kindle once...didn't like it at all. Her argument about being light to take on holiday didn't really hold as I take paperbacks not Encyclopaedia Britannicas with me. A study also showed that the printed word is human friendly....students remember more when facts are read from a book compared with when read from a screen. They weren't sure why, but I think it is the way we read...popping back occasionally to check something....much less interrupting (if there is such a word) than scrolling back where the words flash past you.

 

[Le Tissier's Laces]

Love holding books....tried a friend's kindle once...didn't like it at all. Her argument about being light to take on holiday didn't really hold as I take paperbacks not Encyclopaedia Britannicas with me. A study also showed that the printed word is human friendly....students remember more when facts are read from a book compared with when read from a screen. They weren't sure why, but I think it is the way we read...popping back occasionally to check something....much less interrupting (if there is such a word) than scrolling back where the words flash past you.

We live life in front of a 2D screen enough, without doing it whilst reading too.

 

[Whiteley Saint]

I prefer proper paper books as well. Easier to flip the pages back if you think you have missed something. I have a Kindle but that's just for holidays as I read so much and would need to take several books with me. Got to keep the suitcase weight down.

 

[Number 1 Jasper]

Love holding books....tried a friend's kindle once...didn't like it at all. Her argument about being light to take on holiday didn't really hold as I take paperbacks not Encyclopaedia Britannicas with me. A study also showed that the printed word is human friendly....students remember more when facts are read from a book compared with when read from a screen. They weren't sure why, but I think it is the way we read...popping back occasionally to check something....much less interrupting (if there is such a word) than scrolling back where the words flash past you.

Fair comment Fran , but my books tend to be quite large .

 

[Number 1 Jasper]

I prefer proper paper books as well. Easier to flip the pages back if you think you have missed something. I have a Kindle but that's just for holidays as I read so much and would need to take several books with me. Got to keep the suitcase weight down.

Snap

 

[fran-MLs little camera]

Fair comment Fran , but my books tend to be quite large .

Large print, eh?

Of course e-books have value...just not to me.

 

[Number 1 Jasper]

Large print, eh?

Of course e-books have value...just not to me.

LOL !

 

[ChilcoSaint]

I am a Kindle addict, I filled up every available space in my house with books about 5 years ago, so bought a Kindle in desperation. Now I am a confirmed fan. The unbelievable convenience of them outweighs every other disadvantage. I can carry around my entire library of nearly 2,000 e-books in a device that weighs less than one printed book. If I finish a book that's part of a series, I don't need to order the next one or wait until the bookshops are open, I just connect to the WiFi and download it. I'm sorry, all this thing about turning pages is just not a consideration, I guess people said the same about runes carved in stone. And there is a dictionary built in, so anything can be instantly highlighted and the definition appears. And it works as a tablet as well.

 

[Puck]

I pretty much have to use a kindle now. I mainly read in bed and the wife goes to bed an hour earlier than me and can't sleep if I have a lamp on to read so it's either a kindle with its handy back lighting or one of those horrible little lights you clip to the top of the book.

 

[San Tejón]

I am a Kindle addict, I filled up every available space in my house with books about 5 years ago, so bought a Kindle in desperation. Now I am a confirmed fan. The unbelievable convenience of them outweighs every other disadvantage. I can carry around my entire library of nearly 2,000 e-books in a device that weighs less than one printed book. If I finish a book that's part of a series, I don't need to order the next one or wait until the bookshops are open, I just connect to the WiFi and download it. I'm sorry, all this thing about turning pages is just not a consideration, I guess people said the same about runes carved in stone. And there is a dictionary built in, so anything can be instantly highlighted and the definition appears. And it works as a tablet as well.

I was beginning to think I was on my own, for a minute.
Kindle every time, for the convenience and number of books available. And the dictionary function.
Plus you can sync your books to your IPad, through the Kindle app, which is a bonus, giving you two ways of accessing the book.
Downside of a kindle is the potential to break it, should you drop it on a hard surface. Happened to me once, in Spain, (tiled floors take no prisoners and it only dropped a couple of feet) but the beauty was that I was able to download my entire library, on to my new kindle in pretty quick time. Took me longer to reorganise the books into collections!

 

[Number 1 Jasper]

I pretty much have to use a kindle now. I mainly read in bed and the wife goes to bed an hour earlier than me and can't sleep if I have a lamp on to read so it's either a kindle with its handy back lighting or one of those horrible little lights you clip to the top of the book.

My wife has the Paper white with the back light , I have an original with the pop up light . I keep dropping hints about a more modern version , but she says I will have to wait until mine breaks before I can buy another one . Trying to convince one of the cats to let me " Trip " over it ... no joy so far .......