Effect of Brexit

[wear_yellow]

I began posting on one of Andy's other threads, regarding the age of the for and against votes, but this post has drifted so put it here. It is the only post i shall make on the subject.

i always find it odd that it is perfectly acceptable for everyone to shout 'racist' and 'xenophobe' but being ageist doesn't exist. Consider perhaps that those people over 50 may a. live a long time with the decision that has been made, it's not the right of the young to live for the next 20 years or so, and b. that this is far more about the future and safety of our children and our children's children, and that 'older' people (who to me are just people, just like the whole class debate has no swing with me either) have thought long and hard about this decision and have come to the conclusion that it's best for the future of the country. It has sickened me over the last 24 hours the amount of anti anyone over 50 posts i've seen, the vitriol from younger people, the fear of other young people who voted 'leave' and are frightened to admit it. The ugly side of humanity has come out over the last 24 hours, some of the remain people, from what i have seen, have been insulting, making it personal and taking it far enough to ruin friendships and relationships with families. Divisive doesn't seem to cover it. I am sure, as the vote was expected by journalists and politicians alike, to go the other way, the Brixiteers would have taken it on the chin and got on with it. So sad that so many 'remainers' have been so full of bitterness since the declaration.

I am pleased the vote went as it did. Yes, there are uncertain times ahead, but the certainty of what was to come within the EU was enough to sway me. I do not gloat, in fact, since the decision was announced i have barely posted. I have withstood the anger of my children and will heal those rifts in time, and have put up with the look of disgust from many of my friends and the bitterness on their timelines. Most of those are thinking purely about themselves and how this affects them. I have been considering the bigger picture. I am sad that it has highlighted such division in the country, but that division has been there for a long time and it is finally time for politicians to realise that they have failed miserably in making all people feel valued and heard. If this vote does nothing else, it will wake the politicians from their comfy slumbers, and make them think about the people of the country and not just their own agendas.

I'm sorry that there are people on this thread that are hurting and worried. Even Brixiteers are unsure of what is to come, since none of us have a crystal ball. But we need to remember that we live in a democracy, the vote was taken and 'leave' won. Now it's time to respect that decision, and the people who voted for it, as well as those that didn't, and start to get this country back on it's feet and make it a place to be proud of.

Spot on H, exactly my thoughts. I woke up this morning, sun is still shining and my beautiful family are all well (although I pulled a muscle in my back at the gym yesterday). Time to move on and look to the future - although I am sure that certain posters will carry on with the "told you so's".

 

[wear_yellow]

They said that they would be demanding it, and they have been true to their word.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36626553

There is a big difference between the mayor of a regional town demanding a treaty negotiated by governments be ripped up and those governments ripping them up. Threats seldom work with national governments and there a simple ways that could address the problem - if not threats begat threats.

 

[superhorns]

Everybody will claim to have been looking at the bigger picture, Hornette, and I think the majority of Remain posters have been worried of the effect on others (notably children) rather than themselves.
I fear, perhaps more than anything else, the rise in right-wing extremism across Europe that is inevitable now imho. Merkel came straight out with something that I've said throughout this affair, that I've just not heard vented at all - we have taken for granted a largely peaceful Europe since WWII. That is more in jeopardy now than since 1945.
As for waking up politicians, I think this will. Argument and true debate has fallen to slogan, deliberate misinformation and scare tactics. The lunatics have taken over the asylum. And like it or like it not, the young (of whom I am clearly not one) will have to face the consequences.

The rise in the extreme right-wing is due to policies of the EU especially the selfish and foolish 'all welcome' statement from Merkel. The lack of effective external borders and the ill thought out Schengen agreement has created chaos.

The lunatics took over the EU years ago, except they are the ones stuffing their pockets with cash until the gravy train crashes.

 

[wear_yellow]

The rise in the extreme right-wing is due to policies of the EU especially the selfish and foolish 'all welcome' statement from Merkel. The lack of effective external borders and the ill thought out Schengen agreement has created chaos.

The lunatics took over the EU years ago, except they are the ones stuffing their pockets with cash until the gravy train crashes.

Hopefully the EU can save some cash by stopping paying the lifelong pensions paid to the likes of the Kinnocks and Mendelson - we were told that they would stop if we left, let's hope so.

 

[Bolton's Boots]

The ugly side of humanity has come out over the last 24 hours,

and it is finally time for politicians to realise that they have failed miserably in making all people feel valued and heard. If this vote does nothing else, it will wake the politicians from their comfy slumbers, and make them think about the people of the country and not just their own agendas.

As far as I'm concerned, the ugly side of humanity came out in 2014, during the lead up to the last referendum.

And , yes - you're right about politicians. The Tory party in particular are responsible for the current toxic atmosphere of hate, blame and divisiveness in the nation. Not just through their approach to the referendum, but through their policies since coming to power in 2010, policies which focussed upon demonising the vulnerable in society and which have slowly built up the poison in people's minds. This referendum has simply seen that poison come to the surface and seep out into the open.

Strange to say, but I'm quite happy over the referendum result - and I voted Remain. The reason I'm happy is, quite obviously, that it now means that Scotland will in all probability escape the clutches of a parliament that has done little but demonise and asset-strip it for the last 309 years.

 

[superhorns]

As far as I'm concerned, the ugly side of humanity came out in 2014, during the lead up to the last referendum.

And , yes - you're right about politicians. The Tory party in particular are responsible for the current toxic atmosphere of hate, blame and divisiveness in the nation. Not just through their approach to the referendum, but through their policies since coming to power in 2010, policies which focussed upon demonising the vulnerable in society and which have slowly built up the poison in people's minds. This referendum has simply seen that poison come to the surface and seep out into the open.

Strange to say, but I'm quite happy over the referendum result - and I voted Remain. The reason I'm happy is, quite obviously, that it now means that Scotland will in all probability escape the clutches of a parliament that has done little but demonise and asset-strip it for the last 309 years.

Scotland will not leave. They cannot afford to lose the subsidies from London, they have no currency, the EU will not allow them to join. It is all hot air.

 

[yorkshirehornet]

Spot on H, exactly my thoughts. I woke up this morning, sun is still shining and my beautiful family are all well (although I pulled a muscle in my back at the gym yesterday). Time to move on and look to the future - although I am sure that certain posters will carry on with the "told you so's".

good for you matey....


You and yours voted for it yet the whole country has to bear the price.

I spent yesterday with family and my son-in-law is sales manager for a brand in one of the top 100 UK companies. His group lost £200 million on Thursday 100% fact..... all their trade with the USA is threatened... and they will have to 'find' the money and regroup etc.


Of course most of those who voted leave will just carry on the same, down the gym, the club, at the pub etc...... as we all know the vast majority of business leaders etc voted Remain and now they have to work even harder.....

Hopefully the EU can save some cash by stopping paying the lifelong pensions paid to the likes of the Kinnocks and Mendelson - we were told that they would stop if we left, let's hope so.

<yawn>

While they are about how about stopping all pensions to retired MPs.... that money could be spent on the NHS... oh yes.... dreamland....

 

[colognehornet]

I began posting on one of Andy's other threads, regarding the age of the for and against votes, but this post has drifted so put it here. It is the only post i shall make on the subject.

i always find it odd that it is perfectly acceptable for everyone to shout 'racist' and 'xenophobe' but being ageist doesn't exist. Consider perhaps that those people over 50 may a. live a long time with the decision that has been made, it's not the right of the young to live for the next 20 years or so, and b. that this is far more about the future and safety of our children and our children's children, and that 'older' people (who to me are just people, just like the whole class debate has no swing with me either) have thought long and hard about this decision and have come to the conclusion that it's best for the future of the country. It has sickened me over the last 24 hours the amount of anti anyone over 50 posts i've seen, the vitriol from younger people, the fear of other young people who voted 'leave' and are frightened to admit it. The ugly side of humanity has come out over the last 24 hours, some of the remain people, from what i have seen, have been insulting, making it personal and taking it far enough to ruin friendships and relationships with families. Divisive doesn't seem to cover it. I am sure, as the vote was expected by journalists and politicians alike, to go the other way, the Brixiteers would have taken it on the chin and got on with it. So sad that so many 'remainers' have been so full of bitterness since the declaration.

I am pleased the vote went as it did. Yes, there are uncertain times ahead, but the certainty of what was to come within the EU was enough to sway me. I do not gloat, in fact, since the decision was announced i have barely posted. I have withstood the anger of my children and will heal those rifts in time, and have put up with the look of disgust from many of my friends and the bitterness on their timelines. Most of those are thinking purely about themselves and how this affects them. I have been considering the bigger picture. I am sad that it has highlighted such division in the country, but that division has been there for a long time and it is finally time for politicians to realise that they have failed miserably in making all people feel valued and heard. If this vote does nothing else, it will wake the politicians from their comfy slumbers, and make them think about the people of the country and not just their own agendas.

I'm sorry that there are people on this thread that are hurting and worried. Even Brixiteers are unsure of what is to come, since none of us have a crystal ball. But we need to remember that we live in a democracy, the vote was taken and 'leave' won. Now it's time to respect that decision, and the people who voted for it, as well as those that didn't, and start to get this country back on it's feet and make it a place to be proud of.

It is not a case of being bitter H. If the Brexiters had lost they would not have given up but would have continued agitating - and so am I from the other side. I do not accept the result and never will - because I can never accept a mentality which creates barriers between people. The Brexit campaign was fueled by the scapegoating of immigrants as somehow the cause of Britain's problems - and, most particularly the million or so East Europeans in Britain (one in every 60 !) - I have said elsewhere that I will never accept a World in which someone's worth is judged by their nationality, race, religion or their supposed value to the economy. I will never accept a possible PM. of Britain who once said (whilst a journalist) 'never let the facts get in the way of a good story'. I cannot take a democracy seriously in which newspapers tell their readers so directly how they should be voting, in which grand TV. debates reduce the whole thing to pure personality politics and in which opinion polls are allowed right up to the last minute (at one time this was not allowed). I also cannot take a democracy seriously which disenfranchised millions of British citizens living abroad - although they are very much affected by the result.

 

[yorkshirehornet]

There were school exchanges years before the treaties imposing political union. My wife still corresponds with her exchange partner who now lives in Munich, who she has known since the early 70's - more nonsense you are spinning.
It does not matter one jot whether you accept the result of the vote or not, the people of this country have made their decision. You should worry more about the future of the EU - with Britain's net contribution lost from the Brussels coffers and more countries joining in the next few years, how will the gravy train be funded? Higher taxation coming your way. The other Eurosceptic countries in Northern Europe will see this result and will start their own journeys - the EU political union experiment is failing.

With my background in HE I have to tell you the atmosphere in the sector is very gloomy.

They are likely to lose Erasmus and all the EU deals. Overseas students are already going more and more to study in Europe and in English.

Perhaps worst of all is the research sector with many top rank research centres in the sciences and medicine being substantially supported by EU funding. Who will pay for that now?

 

[andytoprankin]

As far as I'm concerned, the ugly side of humanity came out in 2014, during the lead up to the last referendum.

And , yes - you're right about politicians. The Tory party in particular are responsible for the current toxic atmosphere of hate, blame and divisiveness in the nation. Not just through their approach to the referendum, but through their policies since coming to power in 2010, policies which focussed upon demonising the vulnerable in society and which have slowly built up the poison in people's minds. This referendum has simply seen that poison come to the surface and seep out into the open.

Strange to say, but I'm quite happy over the referendum result - and I voted Remain. The reason I'm happy is, quite obviously, that it now means that Scotland will in all probability escape the clutches of a parliament that has done little but demonise and asset-strip it for the last 309 years.

Could London, the other cities/towns who voted Remain, join together to be the British contingent in EU? Then the xenophobic carrot-crunchers can have their Tory fields (unsubsidised by the EU - good luck with that), we'll have the oil, the financial sector, socialist governance. As they will be foreign territory outside EU they'll have to sell their unsubsidised farm produce to... well NZ, the US (if they're lucky), maybe Australia. We can buy cheaper subsidised farm produce from Ireland, France et al.
Won't be long before they attempt Bentrance - but would we want them?
And we're having Watford, no arguments about that.

 

[andytoprankin]

With my background in HE I have to tell you the atmosphere in the sector is very gloomy.

They are likely to lose Erasmus and all the EU deals. Overseas students are already going more and more to study in Europe and in English.

Perhaps worst of all is the research sector with many top rank research centres in the sciences and medicine being substantially supported by EU funding. Who will pay for that now?

Duh! £350million a week?

 

[colognehornet]

Could London, the other cities/towns who voted Remain, join together to be the British contingent in EU? Then the xenophobic carrot-crunchers can have their Tory fields (unsubsidised by the EU - good luck with that), we'll have the oil, the financial sector, socialist governance. As they will be foreign territory outside EU they'll have to sell their unsubsidised farm produce to... well NZ, the US (if they're lucky), maybe Australia. We can buy cheaper subsidised farm produce from Ireland, France et al.
Won't be long before they attempt Bentrance - but would we want them?
And we're having Watford, no arguments about that.

And we could get rid of Luton with this plan.

 

[andytoprankin]

And we could get rid of Luton with this plan.

**** it, we could decare war.

 

[superhorns]

The UK is leaving the EU. Get used to it and move on.

The whinging from remain is getting increasingly boring now.

 

[yorkshirehornet]

erm.... what about the Watford supporters who live in bandit country?

 

[yorkshirehornet]

Remember that time Nigel Farage said 52-48 votes should lead to second referendum?

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Tanveer Mann for Metro.co.ukFriday 24 Jun 2016 9:03 am

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Britain ‘on the verge of recession’
ICYMI – last month he announced that he would fight for a second referendum on Britain in Europe if the remain campaign won by a narrow margin.

Calling a small defeat for his leave camp ‘unfinished business’, he predicted a second referendum on Europe.

He based this on 52% voting in, 48% out..


Read more: http://metro.co.uk/2016/06/24/remember-that-time-nigel-farage-said-52-48-votes-should-lead-to-second-referendum-5963900/#ixzz4CaUOMMp6

 

[superhorns]

Remember that time Nigel Farage said 52-48 votes should lead to second referendum?

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Tanveer Mann for Metro.co.ukFriday 24 Jun 2016 9:03 am

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Britain ‘on the verge of recession’
ICYMI – last month he announced that he would fight for a second referendum on Britain in Europe if the remain campaign won by a narrow margin.

Calling a small defeat for his leave camp ‘unfinished business’, he predicted a second referendum on Europe.

He based this on 52% voting in, 48% out..


Read more: http://metro.co.uk/2016/06/24/remember-that-time-nigel-farage-said-52-48-votes-should-lead-to-second-referendum-5963900/#ixzz4CaUOMMp6

Desperate - no chance of second referendum. The nation has spoken.

 

[geitungur akureyrar]

You can come and join EFTA. Fríverslunarsamtök Evrópu is only Ísland, Norway, Sviss and Liechtenstein but we have lots of money and fishing.

 

[superhorns]

You can come and join EFTA. Fríverslunarsamtök Evrópu is only Ísland, Norway, Sviss and Liechtenstein but we have lots of money and fishing.

Hopefully we will have lots of money when it is not being sent to Brussels and also regain the fishing rights around our coast.

 

[andytoprankin]

erm.... what about the Watford supporters who live in bandit country?

Remember that time Nigel Farage said 52-48 votes should lead to second referendum?

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Tanveer Mann for Metro.co.ukFriday 24 Jun 2016 9:03 am

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Britain ‘on the verge of recession’
ICYMI – last month he announced that he would fight for a second referendum on Britain in Europe if the remain campaign won by a narrow margin.

Calling a small defeat for his leave camp ‘unfinished business’, he predicted a second referendum on Europe.

He based this on 52% voting in, 48% out..


Read more: http://metro.co.uk/2016/06/24/remember-that-time-nigel-farage-said-52-48-votes-should-lead-to-second-referendum-5963900/#ixzz4CaUOMMp6

It might depend on how they vote in the second referendum.