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Effect of Brexit

Discussion in 'Watford' started by Davylad, Mar 26, 2016.

  1. Davylad

    Davylad New Member

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    According to The Times this morning, the following European citizens would no longer have automatic right to play for us. If we left the EU and wanted them to play for us we would have to appeal. This would affect

    Suarez
    Ekstrand
    Jurado
    Oulare
    Ake
    Pantillimon
    Berghuis
    Holebas
    Capoue

    Could lead to problems..
     
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  2. yorkshirehornet

    yorkshirehornet Well-Known Member

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    Well that is the most compelling factor in deciding for me.

    We must ALL vote to stay in
     
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  3. superhorns

    superhorns Well-Known Member

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    No problem, we have Sean Murray and I'm sure Lloyd Doyley could be persuaded to return.
     
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  4. Toby

    Toby GC's Life Coach

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    More 'fearmongering' <doh>






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  5. Bolton's Boots

    Bolton's Boots Well-Known Member

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    You are, I suspect correct. This argument was done to death last year I thought, with the 'outcome' that basically no-one really knows what would happen until it happens. The two main points that I can recall were:

    1) The EPL would possibly suffer financially through loss of broadcasting rights - and whichever government is in control after the event would be mighty foolish to allow that to happen;
    2) The current restrictive visa regime is a direct consequence of EU membership. In the case of Brexit, the country would then be free to set its own policy regarding migration, visas, and work permits without EU interference. The last point, if taken on board, would probably lead to a better competition as there are currently far too many restrictions on non-EU nationalities.

    Personally I'll be voting to leave.
     
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  6. colognehornet

    colognehornet Well-Known Member

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    The main fear that I have of Brexit would be the possibility that Britain becomes the USA's biggest aircraft carrier, also that freed of all of those nasty EU. environmental regulations it would become Europe's dirty partner - fracking island and so on. We cannot presume that the situation outside of the EU. would be as it was in 1970 - relying on special relationships to the Commonwealth, and closer relationships to the USA. and China are more of a threat to our sovereignty than anything existing within the EU. As for us and the Pozzo's there is a risk of them shying off from the Watford experiment if we are not in the EU. But surely all of this belongs on the Politics thread where it is already being discussed to death.
     
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  7. yorkshirehornet

    yorkshirehornet Well-Known Member

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    Well this thread is for the implications for the horns.... much more important ;)
     
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  8. superhorns

    superhorns Well-Known Member

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    I can definitely see the Pozzo's saying no thanks to £100 million a year.:emoticon-0102-bigsm
     
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  9. Hornet-Fez

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    IN.
    That is all.
     
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  10. Toby

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    I was joking...
     
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    Jsybarry Well-Known Member

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    I don't like that the First Minister of Jersey, Senator Ian Gorst, said that if the UK does exit then we would apply for membership. I like the Jersey specific notes, including that we still have one pound notes - I don't want this island to lose its individuality. If we're going to do this, it would surely be better the Channel Islands going in as a group but I'm not aware if there has been anything said on the subject by the Government of the Bailiwick of Guernsey, which also includes Alderney, Sark and Herm.
     
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  12. yorkshirehornet

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    Thorough BBC article here:

    EU referendum: Brexit could have 'big effect' on football
    By Matt Slater

    BBC Sport

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    Should Brexit happen, players such as Dimitri Payet, Willy Caballero and N'Golo Kante would lose their right to play in the Premier League
    British football could be radically changed if the UK votes to leave the European Union, according to experts and leading voices in the game.

    Some fear so-called Brexit could lead to more than 400 players losing the right to play in the UK, while others say it may give home talent a chance.

    The UK will decide if it wants to stay in the EU in a referendum on 23 June.

    "Leaving the EU will have a much bigger effect on football than people think," said football agent Rachel Anderson.

    "We're talking about half of the Premier League needing work permits.

    "The short-term impact would be huge but you could argue it will help in the long term as it could force clubs to concentrate on home-grown talent."

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    Who is in danger?
    Players with an EU passport are currently free to play in the UK. Those without must meet Home Office criteria, the most important being that they are established internationals for leading nations.

    Analysis of squads in the first two tiers in England and the Scottish Premiership has revealed a total of 332 players would fail to meet the current standards.

    More than 100 Premier League players would be affected with Aston Villa, Newcastle United and Watford facing losing 11 players from their squads, while Championship side Charlton Athletic would need to find 13 replacements.

    In fact, only 23 of the 180 non-British EU players currently playing in the Championship would get work permits - and most of those are former internationals from Ireland or Commonwealth nations with British passports.

    Remarkably, none of the 53 non-British EU players in the Scottish Premiership would qualify for a permit on the basis of their international career alone.

    That is the same situation for 63 non-British EU players in League One and 46 in League Two.

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    In their last fixture, Premier League leaders Leicester fielded seven players from outside the UK, while Scottish counterparts Celtic selected four
    The list of players potentially at risk of losing the right to play in Britain includes two of the undoubted stars of the Premier League season: Leicester City's N'Golo Kante and West Ham's Dimitri Payet, although both played and scored for France this week.

    West Ham vice-chairman Karren Brady, the face of the Britain Stronger in Europe campaign, has already written to club bosses throughout the UK warning them a vote to leave would have "devastating consequences".

    But supporters of the various Leave campaigns have dismissed this as scaremongering, with Brian Monteith of Leave.eu telling the BBC a post-Brexit UK would be able to lower freedom-of-movement restrictions on the rest of the world which would "broaden the talent pool, not reduce it".

    Premier League boss Richard Scudamore made it clear in a speech to the Institute of Directors last year that his personal view was that Britain should stay in the EU, the world's largest trading bloc.

    However, the Premier League's public position is that EU membership is a matter for voters and it always works with "the government of the day".

    What could happen?
    Privately, the league believes it is almost impossible to know what the situation regarding overseas players would be if the UK votes to leave. It is a stance shared by the Football Association.

    The government, for example, could bring in a quota system similar to former Fifa president Sepp Blatter's "six plus five" idea, or it could indeed open the possibility of doing bilateral deals with the likes of Argentina and Brazil to make it easier for their players to work here.

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    Could Gianni Infantino bring back his predecessor's 6+5 plan? Sepp Blatter attempted to introduce the idea that at least six players in a first team must be from the country in which the club plays
    Prior to this season, players without an EU passport were meant to have played in 75% of their national side's competitive games over the past two years.

    This only applied to nations ranked in Fifa's top 70. However, appeals were allowed for talented players from lower-ranked sides as well as players who may have missed international call-ups because of injury.

    The new rules, brought in after hard lobbying by the FA, were intended to strike a balance between a club's desire to hire the best available and the need for more openings for young British players.

    What are the rules?
    • A player from a top-10 nation only has to have played in 30% of their games in the two years prior to the date of application to be granted a work permit.
    • A player from a nation ranked 11-20 must have played in 45% of international games.
    • That percentage rises to 60% for the next 10 countries, then 75% for nations ranked 31-50.
    • A vote to leave the EU would mean that players from the 27 countries still in the union would need to meet these criteria.
    Dr Gregory Ioannidis, a senior law lecturer from Sheffield Hallam University, believes the rules could be relaxed should the UK leave the EU.

    If that happened, then he said he did not "envisage any problems for clubs".

    However, he added that it may be difficult for such an agreement to be put into place because footballers "are considered workers in law and it may be the case that they cannot be treated as a special category".

    Many experts think the work permit rules will be watered down. For example, non-EU countries like Norway and Switzerland have both made concessions to gain access to the single market.

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    Home-grown players could benefit from a Brexit - Donald Love, Tyler Blackett, Jesse Lingard and Marcus Rashford are all British players who have broken through under Louis van Gaal at Manchester United
    "I would be surprised if those work permit rules were not recalibrated," said Professor Raymond Boyle, from the University of Glasgow.

    The sports industry expert added: "Countries such as Switzerland simply make their own rules. My sense is that elite commercial sport will always have the clout to influence rules so that they benefit."

    What everybody agrees on, though, is that British football would be in for a period of flux as new rules were decided and clubs rebalanced their squads.

    "This could be a positive thing for home-grown players in the longer term," said leading agent Simon Bayliff.

    "The downside could be the value of the Premier League decreasing, as its attraction is the collection of foreign stars across many clubs.

    "I don't personally believe it will have a huge impact on the biggest names but it could have an effect on the general traffic of non-star international players, which may hurt the league's quality and attractiveness to foreign investors.

    "But all this depends on how we Brexit - and that is impossible to predict."
     
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  13. Markthehorn

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    Will be a few teams in a tricky position.

    I trust the Pozzos to be able to manage the situation though.
     
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    Scullion Well-Known Member

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    This is the fear of brexit raising it's head again.
    Do we really believe that the EC member states will forego some of the benefits obtained while the UK is a member when we leave. No we/they will negotiate to keep the good stuff and we will get rid of the crap.
     
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  15. Toby

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    One of the main reason the dribbling brexiters want to leave is free movement of EU citizens.

    This article is about one of the effects Brexit will have on Watford FC.

    If you want some scaremongering look at the recent Brexiters release about sex offenders, murderers, etc... that have come over from the EU. One of the most pathetic pieces of scaremongering ever produced <ok>
     
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  16. superhorns

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    The article was a total non story, must try harder.
     
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  17. Toby

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    No it wasn't.

    What a surprise that someone like you refuses to see the truth even when it's presented by most newspapers as fact <laugh>
     
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  18. brian_66_usa

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    They would never have planed for this .This could be very bad for us in the short term ,But with our world wide scouting net work im sure we will get promoted back to the EPL in the years to come .
     
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  19. Markthehorn

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    True - we will just have to use the British market which the Pozzos have done well Tbf.

    Watson, Cathcart for example.
     
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  20. Bloother

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    Complete non story.
     
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