EU Referendum - how will you vote?

[Holden Chinaski]

I don't think things are going to change guys. We're still going to trade with Europe and we're going to get out. These "remain" calling for a second referendum, again, they lost. It's a democracy for a reason, they cannot just always throw their toys out the pram every time they disagree with the people that win.

As for the pound dropping, it was going to happen irrespective.

Remember guys, the future is what "YOU" make it. Now stand up and be counted and work to make this country of ours prosper. That's a more subtle version of Kennedy's quote

 

[SuperChrissyisfantasticPardswasatrocious]

To be fair - the rise of the FTSE and pound was on all news channels over lunch, and on every main papers website now.

 

[SuperChrissyisfantasticPardswasatrocious]

I don't think things are going to change guys. We're still going to trade with Europe and we're going to get out. These "remain" calling for a second referendum, again, they lost. It's a democracy for a reason, they cannot just always throw their toys out the pram every time they disagree with the people that win.

As for the pound dropping, it was going to happen irrespective.

Remember guys, the future is what "YOU" make it. Now stand up and be counted and work to make this country of ours prosper. That's a more subtle version of Kennedy's quote

To bring some context to things not changing - a company I invest in with a friend has already emailed a re-evaluation to prices are due to come, and British partners asking to be invoiced in euro's as it stands. Things are changing - but we will see if it's for better or worse .

Ponders may remember me mentioning a house in Narbonne (maybe), I now have to decide what to do with that. In truth - I have zero clue what it means. I'm sure someone will be willing to take my money in order for me to find out though

 

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back to where we was on monday

 

[Holden Chinaski]

It's all immediate shock. Is it any wonder why England voted out when London did not?

London has benefitted greatly, given the financial district, higher wages. EU legislation and laws have not screwed us over. Looking at fishing industries, people in the midlands who have no home and live in poor conditions, for them they want to accept and willing to gamble for a better way of life (only as they have the least to lose).

Once the panic is over, we'll be fine. We've been here for thousands of years and many countries survive and proposer outside of a trading block. We will too. We're ****ing Great Britain!

 

[Holden Chinaski]

By that, we have such a group of young talented individuals from all over our nation, be it Irish, Welsh, Scottish, from Manchester or Cornwall.

I have faith that we will do something monumental in making us prosper, economically, artistically and more.

I think the 40% odd must have a low opinion of their [...the youth of our nation] ability to perform.

 

[Ponders Revisited]

It's all immediate shock. Is it any wonder why England voted out when London did not?

London has benefitted greatly, given the financial district, higher wages. EU legislation and laws have not screwed us over. Looking at fishing industries, people in the midlands who have no home and live in poor conditions, for them they want to accept and willing to gamble for a better way of life (only as they have the least to lose).

Once the panic is over, we'll be fine. We've been here for thousands of years and many countries survive and proposer outside of a trading block. We will too. We're ****ing Great Britain!

Great stuff, HC.

 

[Ponders Revisited]

To bring some context to things not changing - a company I invest in with a friend has already emailed a re-evaluation to prices are due to come, and British partners asking to be invoiced in euro's as it stands. Things are changing - but we will see if it's for better or worse .

Ponders may remember me mentioning a house in Narbonne (maybe), I now have to decide what to do with that. In truth - I have zero clue what it means. I'm sure someone will be willing to take my money in order for me to find out though

I do remember you were considering an investment in Narbonne. So you went ahead with it, eh? Good for you.

Stand your ground, Super. You have a decent nest egg there. It's not exactly a timeshare tent in Damascus.

 

[Miketyson2007Junior]

I've been completely unaffected by immigration, but then again I'm young and work in a middle class city job, I don't work in fishing/construction etc so wouldn't be affected.

I can't see much being different, labour shortages will still need to be plugged in the short and mid term, and the Conservative party is still fairly moderate, any radical changes are very much long term.

I think it's stupid to dismiss any economic decline as scaremongering, there will be at least a short term decline as markets hate uncertainty. I guess the real question is whether Britain will be far better off in the long term and whether the short to mid term pain was worth it.

Ah well, I'm not fussed much either way, I just hope it doesn't lead to an insular Britain, all this talk of "Independence Day" is doing my head in.

 

[Ken Shabby]

I would have voted remain. Democracy has happened, and we move on. We'll see how this pans out. I'm not sure the changes will be that great - certainly not financial armageddon. Neither do I expect big changes in immigration. The NHS has been an immigration employer almost since it began. Still, we will find out.

 

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I would have voted remain. Democracy has happened, and we move on. We'll see how this pans out. I'm not sure the changes will be that great - certainly not financial armageddon. Neither do I expect big changes in immigration. The NHS has been an immigration employer almost since it began. Still, we will find out.

As you know Ken, there is necessary immigration and what we have now.

Let 50,000 a year in from the Commonwealth if they:

1. Have a degree
2. £10,000 in savings to fall back on
3. A job offer

No problem with a controlled influx of engineers, doctors and scientists. What we don't need are Polish plumbers, Estonian coffee makers and Romanian pickpockets.

 

[Ken Shabby]

A lot of immigrants are mobile with skills. Polish plumbers are a benefit if they do a good job. A lot of Brits left the NHS for decades because of wretched working practices (Junior doctors clearly see it as ongoing) and went abroad to do the same kob for better money. A lot of eastern bloc countrues are recovering nicely ( I read somewhere that Poland never even went into recession). I have stayed hugely clear of this whole arguement, as I live abroad and to be honest the economic ramifications go beyond me. My opinion, for what it's worth, is that thursday was a dreadfull error, and at some point, we'll end up telling the children 'honey we trashed the economy'. Brilliantly, in a moment of uncertainty, we now have no PM, so a general election seems probable. Besides, Brexit had no real plan to offer, simply a decision to leave, so an election over how we want to engineer this seems like a resonable response. However, we really need to start negotiating trade treaties as of yesterday, as these things take years. I read yesterday that we have been told to get things moving quickly by the EU. Now would be a good time to tell them where to go with that. We asked for concessions, got peanuts and now the EU have woken up to the fact that this is the new reality, but that's their problem. We have to safeguard our interests, and move at a pace which suits us, not Junker. But we need a plan. And if it could come from someone who understands economics, not the bigoted Farage or the backstabbing Johnson, it would probably be a help.

 

[User deleted as requested]

A lot of immigrants are mobile with skills. Polish plumbers are a benefit if they do a good job. A lot of Brits left the NHS for decades because of wretched working practices (Junior doctors clearly see it as ongoing) and went abroad to do the same kob for better money. A lot of eastern bloc countrues are recovering nicely ( I read somewhere that Poland never even went into recession). I have stayed hugely clear of this whole arguement, as I live abroad and to be honest the economic ramifications go beyond me. My opinion, for what it's worth, is that thursday was a dreadfull error, and at some point, we'll end up telling the children 'honey we trashed the economy'. Brilliantly, in a moment of uncertainty, we now have no PM, so a general election seems probable. Besides, Brexit had no real plan to offer, simply a decision to leave, so an election over how we want to engineer this seems like a resonable response. However, we really need to start negotiating trade treaties as of yesterday, as these things take years. I read yesterday that we have been told to get things moving quickly by the EU. Now would be a good time to tell them where to go with that. We asked for concessions, got peanuts and now the EU have woken up to the fact that this is the new reality, but that's their problem. We have to safeguard our interests, and move at a pace which suits us, not Junker. But we need a plan. And if it could come from someone who understands economics, not the bigoted Farage or the backstabbing Johnson, it would probably be a help.

We do have a Prime Minister, and there won't be a General Election.

Farage isn't bigoted - he expressed the views of the 17.4m Brits this week who have been overlooked and trammelled over by both Labour and Conservative politicians. He just so happens to have a view that you don't agree with. C'est la vie.

Mandelson once said "the era of representative democracy is over" - yesterday the Baroness and his ilk were proved resoundingly wrong. He can go back to fiddling his mortgage applications.

I am not sure that British plumbers would agree with you that Polish plumbers do a good job. Not when they went to college for 3 years to learn a skill, only to now find themselves being undercut for half their wage, cash in hand.

 

[Ponders Revisited]

A responsible government will look to get the 2.4 million unemployed Brits 'mobile'. For too long this country has allowed a festering underclass to exist, without a single politician willing to fully express the facts: foreign fruit pickers, car cleaners, checkout operators et al are not needed; a large scale apprenticeship scheme must be introduced; big businesses must be banned from advertising low skilled positions abroad; foreign pickpockets, pimps, fraudsters, beggars et al must be deported immediately; our prisons must be emptied of foreign trash; perennial (British) jobseekers must face sanctions if they do not accept a job offer.

Some of these ideas may seem harsh, and they probably are to the many decent immigrants looking to start a new life here, yet we all know uncontrolled immigration has led to this seismic decision. Many youngsters are blaming the older generation for this EU withdrawal, but surely they should aim their ire at the wishy-washy politicians who've presided over this mess for the last twenty years.

 

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@Ponders

You only have to look at the streets of London to see why free movement is a disaster. Go into any London tube station early each morning as I do, and you will seen quantities of East European migrants sleeping on the floor either on cardboard or even less. This is a fact. These people have not come here to work or contribute, and they have not left their home countries and crossed many borders because they are in danger. They have come here to beg, sponge and commit crime. And there are literally thousands of them now in London alone. The Liberal elite are in denial about it, but take a look at what you see next time you walk through Hyde Park or St James' Park.

It is madness, and it has got to stop.

 

[SuperChrissyisfantasticPardswasatrocious]

I worked 'Crisis at Christmas' last year, and plan to do the same again (for those that argue we don't do enough to look after 'our own', sign up starts in a few weeks) and some of the migrant workers I spoke to had indeed started to carve decent careers out for themselves, arriving legally, getting work, paying rent etc. Many of them then suffererd due to the lack of regulations on private landlords - which forced them to living rough over Christmas.

The point is - sometimes there are circumstances. You'll tell me this is a "liberal leftie" rant - I'll say it's trying to bring balance. Some migrant workers do abuse opportunities given to them, but then some migrant workers are abused by "our own", looking for a faster buck.

 

[Ponders Revisited]

@Ponders

You only have to look at the streets of London to see why free movement is a disaster. Go into any London tube station early each morning as I do, and you will seen quantities of East European migrants sleeping on the floor either on cardboard or even less. This is a fact. These people have not come here to work or contribute, and they have not left their home countries and crossed many borders because they are in danger. They have come here to beg, sponge and commit crime. And there are literally thousands of them now in London alone. The Liberal elite are in denial about it, but take a look at what you see next time you walk through Hyde Park or St James' Park.

It is madness, and it has got to stop.

And it's no coincidence many of the beggars and Big Issue sellers position themselves outside establishments such as Costa and M&S, but not Poundland and Greggs. The Ponce's Guide to Tugging at Middle Class Heartstrings, which is available from most airports and coach stations, offers tips on how to earn a free living at the expense of the gullible and stupid.

 

[Ponders Revisited]

I worked 'Crisis at Christmas' last year, and plan to do the same again (for those that argue we don't do enough to look after 'our own', sign up starts in a few weeks) and some of the migrant workers I spoke to had indeed started to carve decent careers out for themselves, arriving legally, getting work, paying rent etc. Many of them then suffererd due to the lack of regulations on private landlords - which forced them to living rough over Christmas.

The point is - sometimes there are circumstances. You'll tell me this is a "liberal leftie" rant - I'll say it's trying to bring balance. Some migrant workers do abuse opportunities given to them, but then some migrant workers are abused by "our own", looking for a faster buck.

A noble message, Super, and sadly true for many well-intentioned migrants.

The anger is aimed at those who see this country as a soft touch, a free-for-all for crime and false begging. A legal system that holds no power to deport criminals is a legal system far removed from the people's wishes, and that is one of the reasons why a majority has voted to leave.

 

[Holden Chinaski]

I think that this bickering is not the deciding factor. And it's becoming tiring that the Remain campaign are focusing solely on that.

Let us remember that many of us voted out for us to make our own destiny and laws, having politicians that are accountable to its citizens and away from unelected officials in Brussels.

So we might have an unelected prime-minister, but remember guys, we have the right to vote them out in two years. When did we have the right to vote out Junker or José Manuel Barroso (who was in office for 12 year and oversaw many of the bailouts which imposed heavy restrictions on countries such as Greece)? People who have held countries at ransom, and profited heavily off of them?

I say sod your Article 50, and sod doing it to your timeline. They cannot tell us what to do or in what timeline. They've got NO say in our matters.

We now need to:
1. Just tell them were leaving, invoke no treaties
2. Incorporate all existing laws into British Law (change what we need to in our own time)
3. Use neutral parties (Australia, Canada, New Zealand, China and USA) to mediate trade deals between Britain and the single market. We will know that with mediation, the deal will not be one sided and ultimately benefits both parties and stabilise world economies
4. Make sure that all UK political parties are present so none of them can say "we didn't agree to that!"

 

[Ken Shabby]

I would have said the 'Remain campaign' is over, bar a rather strange petition with a million signatures demanding another referendum. Cool, if we get beaten on penalties by the Germans in the Euros, we can demand a replay . The problem now is, as I said China, to decide how exactly we want to carry on with our relations with the neighbours. The remain lot were fairly compisite- they wanted to stay. But the Brexiters? A lot of comments (especially on here, but generally) have focused o Poles and Romanians. Others are tired of paying money to Brussels. Boris said he was okay with immigrants who are here working (Farage generally wasn't). Some of those loose ends need to be tied up. Somehow, there needs to be some sort of agreement which takes in the other half of the country which voted stay. If that doesn't happen, the same rhetoric from Royston about half the country's weariness from unregulated immigration will be applied by the half of the country that isn't represented by this referendum.