Off Topic EU deabte. Which way are you voting ?

[Stan]

No doubt, Stan. It was more than acceptable to publicly insult black people, etc.

I was a very young pro musician back then - mostly session work. In my work I came into close contact with black people for the first time in my life. I discovered that contrary to what I'd been led to believe, not only were some of them great musicians, they were great guys too. I made some friends I still have today.

Ever since, I've never judged anybody by the colour of their skin. You might as well judge them by the colour of their hair

That doesn't include gingers, btw, they're all ****s!...

****ing hell NSIS, how old are you? I know you're banging a well put together 50 year old but if you were working as a session musician in the 60's you must be in your 60's.

Are you in fact Austin Powers?

 

[NSIS]

You're assigning a causal relationship between being in the EU and our economy being the fifth largest when in reality it is down to a large number of reasons. Yes there are economic benefits to being a part of the EU, there are also economic restraints to being in the EU.

In 1970 (and in fact in 1973 when we joined the EEC) we were also the fifth largest economy in the world and in the decades before that we took up a higher position in the rankings.

That, if correct, would be down to the times. There was no Chinese, Indian, or other emerging economies.

I will look, but with Wilson devaluing the pound and Healey having to call the IMF in to bale us out, the rest of the world's economies must have been pretty ****ef if we weed fifth!!!

As I say, I very much doubt it!...

 

[NSIS]

****ing hell NSIS, how old are you? I know you're banging a well put together 50 year old but if you were working as a session musician in the 60's you must be in your 60's.

Are you in fact Austin Powers?

Yep, I'm over 60. But, you won't find one in better nick!...

 

[afcftw]

Agreed. Dismantling the ruling class' grip on world finances and the power that goes with it, is another equation altogether. But I'm also firmly in agreement that working together to tackle the tangible issues that arise is better done in collaboration. I'd much rather be on the inside chipping away, than outside banging on the door about how unfair it all is.

Unfortunately the EU doesn't need chipping away at, it needs massive reform which we just don't seem to be capable of forcing through.

 

[afcftw]

That, if correct, would be down to the times. There was no Chinese, Indian, or other emerging economies.

I will look, but with Wilson devaluing the pound and Healey having to call the IMF in to bale us out, the rest of the world's economies must have been pretty ****ef if we weed fifth!!!

As I say, I very much doubt it!...

It is correct, I made sure I double checked before I posted

 

[PINKIE]

Unfortunately the EU doesn't need chipping away at, it needs massive reform which we just don't seem to be capable of forcing through.

Well, we're going to have no chance of reforming it if we leave.

 

[Stan]

I hope you are an only child (just in case he goes all "Sophies choice" on you) .

I've got 3 brothers. I get on with the old man but let my brothers listen to his fascist bullshit as they either don't care enough or, in one case, agree.

 

[Sweats]

Unfortunately the EU doesn't need chipping away at, it needs massive reform which we just don't seem to be capable of forcing through.

And we'd have zero chance of reforming it not being part of it.

Things evolve. The world certainly has since we entered the eu.

 

[NSIS]

It is correct, I made sure I double checked before I posted

Well considering we were basically bankrupt in 1976 - thanks to the politically hijacked unions and a grossly incompetent Gvt, **** knows what the rest of the world was doing!...

 

[Stan]

Yep, I'm over 60. But, you won't find one in better nick!...

I thought you were younger fella. I assumed you'd made a tonne of money in the City and retired young.

Then again, you're anti Nigel!

 

[PINKIE]

And we'd have zero chance of reforming it not being part of it.

Things evolve. The world certainly has since we entered the eu.

Also, Juncker has said that it won't be business as usual after the UK referendum, so there is already an appetite within the EU to reform. We need to have our place at that table to influence those reforms. It's madness to say 'It needs reforming' and then leave, thereby throwing away our opportunity to shape the future of the EU.

 

[Stan]

And we'd have zero chance of reforming it not being part of it.

Things evolve. The world certainly has since we entered the eu.

Indeed, China and India have arrived and they're not going away!

 

[afcftw]

Well, we're going to have no chance of reforming it if we leave.

I don't think we have any chance of reforming it from within either which is where some of my euroscepticism originates. I'm all for a European institution that enables better trade and ultimately helps maintain peace on the continent, I'm all for working together and international cooperation and am not against an EU of sorts. I just don't think the EU we have is the correct model, I think it has gone well beyond its remit and unfortunately now makes policy decisions based on propping up the eurozone. There would need to be radical change both in the way the EU works and in the direction it is taking for it to become what I think it should be.

 

[afcftw]

And we'd have zero chance of reforming it not being part of it.

Things evolve. The world certainly has since we entered the eu.

The world has definitely evolved since we joined the Eu and we should be looking outward to the global community rather than just inwards at Europe.

 

[PINKIE]

I don't think we have any chance of reforming it from within either which is where some of my euroscepticism originates. I'm all for a European institution that enables better trade and ultimately helps maintain peace on the continent, I'm all for working together and international cooperation and am not against an EU of sorts. I just don't think the EU we have is the correct model, I think it has gone well beyond its remit and unfortunately now makes policy decisions based on propping up the eurozone. There would need to be radical change both in the way the EU works and in the direction it is taking for it to become what I think it should be.

See my previous post
http://www.not606.com/threads/eu-deabte-which-way-are-you-voting.330913/page-107#post-9383609

 

[NSIS]

I thought you were younger fella. I assumed you'd made a tonne of money in the City and retired young.

Then again, you're anti Nigel!

I made good money in the City. But 2 divorces kind of 'reduced' that a bit. I'm not fabulously wealthy, but I'm a long way from poor too.

I just keep fit, healthy, lead a pretty much stress free life, think for myself, etc.

Plus, my lady keeps me young!..

 

[NSIS]

The world has definitely evolved since we joined the Eu and we should be looking outward to the global community rather than just inwards at Europe.

We do look outwards, but as part of a large negotiating team - called the EU.

 

[Stan]

I made good money in the City. But 2 divorces kind of 'reduced' that a bit. I'm not fabulously wealthy, but I'm a long way from poor too.

I just keep fit, healthy, lead a pretty much stress free life, think for myself, etc.

Plus, my lady keeps me young!..

Fair play, I hope for the same when the kids have grown up and leave home with Lady Stan.

 

[DarloGeordie]

Well it looks like that we are remaining in the EU 56%-44% from what I've heard. You have it heard it hear first guys.

 

[afcftw]

Also, Juncker has said that it won't be business as usual after the UK referendum, so there is already an appetite within the EU to reform. We need to have our place at that table to influence those reforms. It's madness to say 'It needs reforming' and then leave, thereby throwing away our opportunity to shape the future of the EU.

Juncker has said that the EU offered the UK the best deal it will get and there won't be any further negotiations after our referendum. The deal we got was basically **** and not anything like any real reform. Juncker is a prize twat. Other officials have made comments to the effect that this has shown an appetite for reform within the EU (I believe the German finance minister made comments to this effect although I haven't heard much from anyone actually within the EU).