Off Topic EU deabte. Which way are you voting ?

Oh, and music, forgot music. I don't play in public that much anymore, just occasionally. But, I do at home and it's still in my soul.

 

Which is slow and beurocratic and makes decisions based on propping up sections of the EU economy which aren't necessarily in our best interests as a country. When we want a trade deal done and push the EU on it, it doesn't get done, the FTA with India is a prime example of this, it's a deal we want in place and have put pressure on the EU to negotiate yet almost ten years on talks have completely stalled.

 

HIAG could get you a gig as long as you're happy to do karaoke.

 

Further to this, without this referendum and a real showing of euroscepticism from the people of the U.K. I don't believe any real reform would be considered as it looks like sabre rattling from our politicians. Having a referendum, particularly if the result is close shows a genuine appetite from our nation to get what we want from the EU or leave.

 

Where did you get that from?

Obviously I hope it's true as it would represent a relative landslide and confirm Stan's election dinner party theory.

 

I'm not talking about the deal that the UK got, but the EU as an organisation. Regardless of the outcome, this has shaken up the EU and they know that they have to reform to better meet the needs of an evolving Europe. Reform is coming, the UK needs to be at that table to shape that reform. Leaving means we don't have a say, but will still be affected by the EU, it makes no sense.

 

Can't sing, mate. Never could. I can harmonise, but ask me to pitch and I'm ****ed! Pathetic for a trained musician, but I just cannot sing!...

 

See my post just above that I added to the post you quoted

 

HIAG could get him a gig as long as he's good at Guitar Hero on the Playstation.

 

Well, that confirms why we need to be on the inside, in order to shape the reform that is coming. The referendum has been a positive thing in as much that it's shaken the EU out of 'business as usual' mode. But it's crucial now that we ensure that we are at that table when it comes to shaping the reform and making the decisions.

 

That's the third, 'shake it all about' option!....

 

I can't say but its a rough estimate from someone I have a lot of respect for and is usually correct. Its a high turnout that has made the remain team victorious really.

 

Ok fella, hope you're right, it will mean the country gets a chance to put a plan in place.

 

TBH, I'd be surprised if the margin is that great. I kind of suspect that remain will win, but I doubt he margin will be as great as 12%.

 

Agreed, it's going to be a few points either way.

 

I was listening to Radio 4 the other day and there was a group that had been running a 'poll' that works like a market, in as much that you 'trade' on the most likely outcomes. They have run this poll on various other events, Cameron v Milliband, Scottish referendum etc and they got it spot on. They were predicting a win for Remain, as the margins have never dropped below 60/40.

 

I'll be glad when it's over for you lot's sake. I reckon some of you have aged 10 years in the last week.

 

Duncan-Smith (right wing twat) says turnout from council estate voters is 80%, compared to 30% in a normal election.

I don't know what to take from that comment!

 

Farage conceding that 'Remain will edge it' apparently ....

 

IDS, at council estates?? What would have gone down like well!

'Yeah, course we'll get out and vote, don't worry' ! ( posh twat, **** off!).