Off Topic European Debate Thread

What the **** has this got to do with anything? You've been talking ****e for 7 weeks I find it impossible to believe that you will start talking any sense now, despite the fact you've gone all billy big bollox cos a couple of sags came along..

 

Smacks of desperation to me...

If you like democracy VOTE OUT!

If you like control of our borders VOTE OUT!

If you done need faceless unelected bureaucrats deciding how to spend YOUR money.. VOTE OUT!

 

This is massively disrespectful from some **** who has never done a days work in his life or paid a penny tax.

If it was up to me you wouldn't get a vote until you had contributed something!

 

Ah yes, the refrain of the true democrat - you shouldn't be entitled to vote unless you pass my test.

You're beginning to sound a little desperate....

 

Repeating back to me what I accused you of sounds more than desperate to me..

That post by MTG is ****in disrespectful but typical of the remain campaign.. its all about themselves (I want a job in Europe, I'm young I deserve it, old people should die, I deserve a house give me one, whine whine whine)

 

Just voted out, however I think the Remains campaign of fear will win overall

 

They are quite simply liars.


Turkey's bid to join the EU has been a central issue in the campaign, amid concerns of an influx from a country with rock bottom wages.

Mr Cameron has backtracked on his pledge to be the 'strongest possible advocate' for Turkish membership of the EU, and insisted it will not happen 'until the year 3000'. But he has repeatedly refused to say he would veto Turkish accession.

And yesterday it emerged the EU will resume talks on Turkish membership next week, just days after the referendum.

John Major, who was campaigning alongside Mr Cameron yesterday, also appeared to suggest Turkey could join the EU far more quickly, saying: 'They are not going to get in in my judgment for one, two decades – perhaps not ever.'

Iain Duncan Smith, a Leave campaigner and another former Tory leader, said Sir John had let the cat out of the bag.

And he accused Mr Cameron of deliberate deception, saying: 'I'm afraid there is no conclusion you can draw from this, except that David Cameron is colluding with the EU and lying to the British people.

 

Every single quote or fact from the remain side has the same old caveat attached every time..

"in my judgement" " in my opinion" "I would think"

Watch them all back track if they win and just carry on with their federalism.

I hope there are enough people out there that aren't spineless scaremonger believers, who can't do anything without being told how to do it..

 

Turkey:

You do realise that Turkey has been in accession talks since 1987 and that they have to pass a number of economic and human rights tests in order to be considered?

Also that every single EU country has to approve their candidacy? You really think that Greece (historical enemy), Cyprus (partitioned – loathes Turkey) or Germany will approve them? Not a chance.

It’s yet more scaremongering from Project Hate whose campaign has been built around scapegoating foreigners and building fear of them.

‘Look at all these foreigners, streaming into Europe – 450 million of them are coming to the UK and they’ll be looking to rape your children’ etc etc.

It’s disgusting and one of the reasons that the Leave campaign will lose.

 

Exploitation is receiving a minimum wage, unsociable hours, zero hour contracts, being made to pay for drb checks / training / uniforms and on. It is not illegal, but it is certainly immoral, but reasonable pay and conditions for care and compassion is right out of fashion with remain.

Immigration is feeding the above practices, and punishing British workers lower down the pay scales. You call that "a victim of market forces" ... Your entire post justifies treating British workers poorly like we are mere pawns to be moved around.

Remain have no answers other than get somebody else in to work for less, while services crack or are rationalised into community hubs which provide poorer services again, and again ...

No answers on infrastructure from remain.

No thinking errr . Controlled immigration would allow economy stimulation and the ability to plan and budget for an enhanced and increased infrastructure.

But they don't know what the immigration numbers will be, and DO ( dodgy Dave !!) know that they're already too high then they are already just pi55ing in the wind.

Not much point debating it now ...
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Which post on this thread states that?

 

Cliftonville - take a look at this:

http://www.migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/briefings/labour-market-effects-immigration

This research finds that the largest effect on wages / jobs comes from Non-EU immigration. However, it also states that the workers most likely to suffer are resident immigrants themselves - not Britons.

Then have a look at this:

http://cep.lse.ac.uk/pubs/download/brexit05.pdf

This London School of Economics study finds that EU immigration has had virtually no effect on British wages and job opportunities.

The Leave campaign has repeated untruths like 'British workers are suffering because of EU immigration, but they have nothing to back it up with.

Perhaps the global recession might have something to do with a downturn in wages? And perhaps massive Government cuts might have something to do with infrastructure problems?

It's entirely disingenuous for the Leave campaign to blame the country's ills on the EU.

Shame on you and Banksy for swallowing their lies hook, line and sinker without doing a modicum of research to verify if it's the truth or not.

I'm off to vote In!

 

I never stated it was on this thread.

 

It's not all about ukip tho is it it's right across the spectrum we have a German born labour mp who wants out what does that tell you.

 

Just voted, but I can tell who will win and why.
The remain vote will win because
X amount of foreign nationals who are allowed to vote will vote in ( if they don't they are seriously thick)
X amount of our own lazy people who take benefits will vote in, because they won't want to disrupt their welfare.
X amount of workers self employed not declaring full truth know an out vote could hamper their good fortune.
That leaves the rest of voters
So in my opinion this will put the out voters already lagging behind, would take a huge swing to overcome it.

So Red Robin I'm sorry to say but you will have to get back to waving your Dixie confederates flag

 

David Cameron's close friend and former Director of Strategy, Steve Hilton, lays down the law on sovereignty:

"Sovereignty is democracy. The idea of democracy is that the people of that country are in control. That doesn't mean they get 100% control, because everything in life is a compromise and a negotiation, but at least in a democracy the people we elect get to make those compromises. In the EU it's done behind closed doors, in deals with big businesses by people that no-one ever elected."

Shame on you Bluebaldee you would give it away on the word of liars and cheats. I did my research from people who have been there, sat there and watched it and have lived it.. I'll listen to the man above who might know a bit not some know nothing from Horfield

You would swallow any old rubbish.. after all you have been watching Rovers for God know how long.