Off Topic BREXIT

Look at at what the Common Market was when we joined, to what it has become in just over forty years. What the hell will it be in another 40 years, I shudder at the thought.

 

My elderly parents are a bit confused over voting so to simplify it for them I've told them that to vote Leave they go tomorrow, and to vote Remain they go on Friday. They seemed happy with that.

 

They could there is nothing to stop them and we actually do have such votes all the time. The comparison isnt quite right since our country is basically the EU in the comparison and each state a country within it. Most of our independence movements are to break up states but stay within the US. You have to understand that while we do have a federal government that almost every law that actually affects you is a state law and not a federal law so people tend to just want to form there own state as opposed to leaving their country. Yes, they get up steam whenever a law is passed that they dont like. I live in a section of California that wants to be its own state and its on the ballot every single election here. There are other states that also want to break up while there are straight up independence movements in Texas, New Hampshire and probably other states that I am unaware of as well. The difference is that while we do think of ourselves as Virginians, Texans etc first we dont think of that as its own country so the people who want to leave almost universally are small group of far-right individuals.

 

I like your input OlM generally but I have to disagree on this point. You are correct in that the EU doesn't involve itself in member states tax rates generally. They don't at the moment. A full political union changes the game though. As an aside, wouldn't it be good if member states in the euro could be more flexible in managing their economies (by leaving the euro) but of course that is not an option. The insidious nature of the EU makes countries, once they have joined, dependent on it.

 

lets not worry to much what the EU countries will do if we exit , the EU will collapse in on itself .
Why should British voters be dictated to by the current President of EU , the French Financial minister and Obama ... they all aim their threats to the voters , how is that a democratic situation ,


Im voting leave , i dont see there being much difference to my world/pocket by voting In or Out , for me i reckon life will be just the same , but they only difference is we will be able to admire the illusion of making our own destiny and not one the miserable French seem fit for us

 

If I felt the government would actually spend anything on the NHS, housing, education, defence, policing etc. then I would I vote to leave - but they won't so whats the point? It's just years of unpicking legislation (while potentially at the same time managing Scotland's withdrawal from the UK) for no reason.

I am convinced the only thing that will happen if we leave is that more things will get privatised, more money will be trousered away, and the numbers coming into the country won't change.

The only potential difference is that we have Boris, IDS, Gove and or Farage with more power instead of Cameron and Osbourne. It doesn't matter. They're all absolute ****s.

Whichever way you vote the man in the street is going to be ****ed over as usual.

 

It will have crumbled long before then.

 

Didn't Corbyn suggest he might give up the UK veto if he was elected or am I imagining things?

 

Corbyn isn't getting elected.

 

Another more sensitive point is how the murder of the MP last week has slowly developed into the remain campaigns rhetoric.
How the referendum stories and any news on the MP life / death are loosely stitched together -
Theres no double the MP was a remain campaigner but it really feels like they only winning point the IN campaigners can make is the implied "Do it for Jo " suggestion . Theres no coincidence the polls have shifted a good 5 points since last weekend , The BBC also seem to be merging the 2 stories with "impartial" glee

 

Corbyn is an Out'er , well he has been anti EU since forever, he has to follow his party to save his own skin , 70%+ of his own MPs didnt support him but the Man of principle swallowed another to keep hold of his job ,

 

If we stay in, the EU elite will see it as a green light to ride roughshod over any dissent. This is the only chance we will ever have to put decision making back in the hands of UK citizens. I don't want to wait until I'm nearly dead for someone else population to be brave enough to stand up to them.

 

But what happens if he or someone with similar thoughts does get elected?

 

Why would someone 'give up' the veto?

Why would Parliament let someone 'give up' the veto?

 

The Guardian's use of Jo Cox's death to further their rhetoric that all voting for Leave are right-wing, xenophobic hate-mongers is abhorrent. They should be ashamed. People talk **** about the Daily Mail, the Sun, the Telegraph etc. and it is justified to an extent but the Guardian are just as bad if not worse.

 

The media on both sides are awful.

Don't tell me that stupid 'BREAKING POINT' **** with white faces edited out wasn't 'abhorrent'?

 

I won't. Again, not everyone who supports Leave agree or associate themselves with the likes of Farage, Gove or Boris. I personally can't stand the ****s. I don't like even the concept of political parties, let alone politicians.