Off Topic EU deabte. Which way are you voting ?

[Stan]

If you're interested, just google for something along the lines of "positive economic benefits to brexit" I've drawn my view from a bundle of sources, posting one or two will simply drag the discussion to those.

Having read a few, I reckon there will be a slight down turn initially, but not the long running and deep collapse some are espousing. Even the remain campaign costs it at about £700 for each of us. For me, that's a reasonable price to maintain democracy.

Turn it round, as the remain figures are most likely worse case, would you sell your right to have a vote on who makes the rules for £700?

I can find lots of articles about how Brexit will be good for the economy but they're written by pro Brexit campaigners. I've not really seen anything by an official or impartial body like the IMF, BOE etc that supports that view.

I think there's a good reason for that.

 

[PattyNchips2]

If you're interested, just google for something along the lines of "positive economic benefits to brexit" I've drawn my view from a bundle of sources, posting one or two will simply drag the discussion to those.

Having read a few, I reckon there will be a slight down turn initially, but not the long running and deep collapse some are espousing. Even the remain campaign costs it at about £700 for each of us. For me, that's a reasonable price to maintain democracy.

Turn it round, as the remain figures are most likely worse case, would you sell your right to have a vote on who makes the rules for £700?

thought we had MEP's?

 

[DMD]

I can find lots of articles about how Brexit will be good for the economy but they're written by pro Brexit campaigners. I've not really seen anything by an official or impartial body like the IMF, BOE etc that supports that view.

I think there's a good reason for that.

The latest IMF one is far from the doom and gloom some have claimed. But you have at least seen that not all economists agree, and highlight why posting links just divert the discussions.

So, will you sell your hard won right to have a say in how we're run for £700?

 

[DarloGeordie]

Spot on. It's also funny that they are spamming this thread now, but when they get a taste of their own medicine, they don't seem to like it.

Ooops I've already said too much. Got to watch out for those xenophobes who think we're all traitors, in case we get knifed and shot!

How have the outers been raped, I haven't seen any reason on these threads to make me change my mind and stay in the EU. The Remain and Leave team have both been sprouting rubbish so I'm judging for myself and I want out. Also no has answered my question on why David Cameron said we would survive if we leave the EU as we are the 5th richest country in the world. Now he has changed his mind and says all sorts of rubbish on why we should remain, he jumps in different beds with people all the time to suit his arguments, he is a political slag.

 

[remembercolinlee]

It didn't piss me off, it was just nothing to do with the point.

The cuts in public services are more liable to get worse if we remain.

It didn't piss me off, it was just nothing to do with the point.

The cuts in public services are more liable to get worse if we remain.

It was directly answering your point about him being a care in the community case so I have no idea how you can say otherwise.

Your second point is confusing...it doesn't address my point that the issues I raised are being caused by our government not immigration and nor do you explain why it is liable to get worse. Are you really suggesting that my pension, job and wages are being threatened because we are part of the EU and therefore will be protected by this government if we vote out?

 

[DMD]

It was directly answering your point about him being a care in the community case so I have no idea how you can say otherwise.

Your second point is confusing...it doesn't address my point that the issues I raised are being caused by our government not immigration and nor do you explain why it is liable to get worse. Are you really suggesting that my pension, job and wages are being threatened because we are part of the EU and therefore will be protected by this government if we vote out?

You seem to be arguing with me about things I haven't raised, which possibly accounts for your confusion.

To try to clarify, I didn't blame immigration, I do say it needs to be controlled, so that we can be more selective who we let in, and who we let stay. It'd probably mean that, like in Australia, more people actually get in.

Your situation is due to measures that the government enact, but that largely due to having to comply with EU policies.

 

[Stan]

The latest IMF one is far from the doom and gloom some have claimed. But you have at least seen that not all economists agree, and highlight why posting links just divert the discussions.

So, will you sell your hard won right to have a say in how we're run for £700?

I may have missed something here but do we concede all power and authority to Brussels if we stay in?

Will they finally force us to adopt the euro?

I assumed we still got to vote for our government!

 

[NSIS]

It didn't piss me off, it was just nothing to do with the point.

The cuts in public services are more liable to get worse if we remain.

How?...

 

[DMD]

I may have missed something here but do we concede all power and authority to Brussels if we stay in?

Will they finally force us to adopt the euro?

I assumed we still got to vote for our government!

We get to vote for the Government, but it will be working within the EU rules. MEP's have limited ability to act fully on our behalf.

 

[Treble]

How have the outers been raped, I haven't seen any reason on these threads to make me change my mind and stay in the EU. The Remain and Leave team have both been sprouting rubbish so I'm judging for myself and I want out. Also no has answered my question on why David Cameron said we would survive if we leave the EU as we are the 5th richest country in the world. Now he has changed his mind and says all sorts of rubbish on why we should remain, he jumps in different beds with people all the time to suit his arguments, he is a political slag.

To be honest mate, there are a few on both sides including @afcftw , @Diego , @BobbyD who are gearing towards the Out campaign trying to have a reasonable debate, however the last few pages have just been Custard and Blueman posting ****e and turning the whole thing into GIFs, photoshopped bile and just jingoistic nonsense to shout down any reasonable debate. I must admit I've responded to that in kind but while doing so highlighted the hypocrisy of their views. In particular the claim that I, and any other person voting for In is a traitor... which in the end has come back to bite them right royally in the arse after the killer of Jo Cox spouted that bile. Now, if anyone wants to carry on with that nonsense then in terms of ideology, they're not far off that nutter. On the other hand if someone actually wants to debate the issues, then this thread will be better for it.

Personally speaking, I think the vast majority of those posting on here have made up their minds and the views are as polarised as can be so there's no debating going on. The two posters I've seen claiming to be undecided will probably have as much chance of finding anything credible on here as they seem to be in the real world. That's been the sad indictment of this whole referendum.

 

[NSIS]

If you're interested, just google for something along the lines of "positive economic benefits to brexit" I've drawn my view from a bundle of sources, posting one or two will simply drag the discussion to those.

Having read a few, I reckon there will be a slight down turn initially, but not the long running and deep collapse some are espousing. Even the remain campaign costs it at about £700 for each of us. For me, that's a reasonable price to maintain democracy.

Turn it round, as the remain figures are most likely worse case, would you sell your right to have a vote on who makes the rules for £700?

Any 'positive economic benefits' supposedly associated with leaving the EU are pure speculation. They can be nothing else, as nobody knows what our economic future will be in such a scenario!.

 

[DMD]

How?...

UK government has tried to devolve power, to such as the Scottish Parliament and Welsh Assembly, EU prefers centralisation. There are exceptions, but it would need a radical shake up for that to occur here.
The EU is struggling as an entity, and needs to trim its outgoings, and raise its incomes. That is quite liable to lead to further cuts in public spending and more privatisation of services, that will be run purely for profit.

 

[paultheplug]

We get to vote for the Government, but it will be working within the EU rules. MEP's have limited ability to act fully on our behalf.

MEPs have even less ability to work on our behalf when they don't turn up for debates and votes like many of those from the UK

 

[DMD]

Any 'positive economic benefits' supposedly associated with leaving the EU are pure speculation. They can be nothing else, as nobody knows what our economic future will be in such a scenario!.

Pretty much what I said when someone insisted it would be poverty all round.

 

[NSIS]

UK government has tried to devolve power, to such as the Scottish Parliament and Welsh Assembly, EU prefers centralisation. There are exceptions, but it would need a radical shake up for that to occur here.
The EU is struggling as an entity, and needs to trim its outgoings, and raise its incomes. That is quite liable to lead to further cuts in public spending and more privatisation of services, that will be run purely for profit.

Nonsense! Privatization is the last thing on the minds of most European gvts. Quite the opposite, in fact...

 

[DMD]

MEPs have even less ability to work on our behalf when they don't turn up for debates and votes like many of those from the UK

Absolutely. But even the ones that do make an effort and turn up are left feeling they may as well have stayed at home.

 

[Stan]

We get to vote for the Government, but it will be working within the EU rules. MEP's have limited ability to act fully on our behalf.

What would you like greater control over?

Bearing in mind that you have one vote and that the party you vote for may not win an election. Also even if they do they may not fulfil their pre election promises.

I don't think it's as simple as "we'll take control back of the U.K." as the Leavers don't seem to be able to explain what that actually means for the regular person.

 

[NSIS]

Pretty much what I said when someone insisted it would be poverty all round.

We have facts and evidence to back up those assertions. Look at the behaviour of the markets!

All leave have is supposition, promises, and 'trust me' . Well, sorry, I don't!...

 

[DMD]

Nonsense! Privatization is the last thing on the minds of most European gvts. Quite the opposite, in fact...

You have a different experience to me.

 

[Solid Air]

Spot on. It's also funny that they are spamming this thread now, but when they get a taste of their own medicine, they don't seem to like it.

Ooops I've already said too much. Got to watch out for those xenophobes who think we're all traitors, in case we get knifed and shot!

since all predictions are that least 40% of the UK population will vote leave you may wish to consider that perhaps the vast majority aren't rabid xenophobes/racists but have genuine concerns about the sheer level of net immigration and added to that the increase in population that is causing due to the also increased birthrate plus basically lots of people feel ignored / marginalised and removing one layer of control over them is appealing.

I voted remain due almost entirely to the economy as the EU will "attack" the city of london and whilst i despise so many in the financial sector it is so vital to our emasculated economy we have no choice but protect it plus our only successful manufacturing industry is car making (though we own non of the companies ) which will have serious worries if we leave the EU and will start to look at the possibility of resiting plants