Off Topic EU deabte. Which way are you voting ?

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How will you vote in the EU referendum ?

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Sir Stan said:
Why is it cheaper to employ Romanians? You mean they will work for the money on offer but the Brits won't? I agree.

The solution to the problem you're concerned about is raising the minimum wage not getting rid of the Romanians who are prepared to work. However even if they raised the minimum wage I suspect a lot of the Brits who "can't" get a job because Romanians are taking them will still think it's a better life not working at all than working for minimum wage.

Don't you think employers would rather have staff who speak fluent English? If they can't get them then they turn to other options.
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I think you're being a bit naive Stan. Yes the Polish, Romanians, Albanians and all the others nationalities will work for less, but that's not being reflected in the price of the contracts being awarded. All that's happening, is bigger profits for those at the top of these companies.
In addition, these other nationalities won't work for for these low rates for ever. I'm hearing that they are now demanding the same rates as was being paid to former British workers. The difference is that not all of this money is going back into our economy, a large amount is going back to the countries of there birth.
I'm not against immigration or disagree with the fact that some British people feel that some of the jobs on offer are beneath them, but surely we as a country need to control this, not being told by some faceless burecrat in Europe that we have to take as many as want to come.
 
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Mr Custard said:
The people have had enough, its the government that want it, look at the strikes they are having, because the gov are having to alter employment laws to suit the EU
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<laugh> it's got **** all to do with the EU. The French unions are trying to hang on to the cosy little situation they've got.

As I said earlier, it's very reminiscent of the U.K. 40 years ago...
 
pieguts said:
I think you're being a bit naive Stan. Yes the Polish, Romanians, Albanians and all the others nationalities will work for less, but that's not being reflected in the price of the contracts being awarded. All that's happening, is bigger profits for those at the top of these companies.
In addition, these other nationalities won't work for for these low rates for ever. I'm hearing that they are now demanding the same rates as was being paid to former British workers. The difference is that not all of this money is going back into our economy, a large amount is going back to the countries of there birth.
I'm not against immigration or disagree with the fact that some British people feel that some of the jobs on offer are beneath them, but surely we as a country need to control this, not being told by some faceless burecrat in Europe that we have to take as many as want to come.
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Minimum wage needs to go up, border control needs to be stricter, we're agreed on that.

It doesn't change the fact that many British people can do the jobs that the Romanians do but they prefer to live off the state rather than work for minimum wage. You could empty the country of everyone except those people and they still wouldn't want to work.

What is naive is to think that by getting rid of the immigrants there will suddenly be jobs for the Brits. Many of them don't want a job. The immigrants give them a great excuse to sit on their arses and watch Jeremy Kyle.
 
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I'm not being funny, but if you can't find a job (especially an unskilled or semi-skilled) you're just not trying hard enough.
 
Treble said:
I'm not being funny, but if you can't find a job (especially an unskilled or semi-skilled) you're just not trying hard enough.
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I want to know where Custard lives. He's got hundreds of plumbers in his town. I had to call 6 last week before I could get one to come round to ours inside a week!
 
Sir Stan said:
What is naive is to think that by getting rid of the immigrants there will suddenly be jobs for the Brits. Many of them don't want a job. The immigrants give them a great excuse to sit on their arses and watch Jeremy Kyle.
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That we all agree on, but not everyone unemployed wants to be unemployed, plenty want a job but not on a crap wage, which is what happens when you let too many people in to the country in one hit
 
Sir Stan said:
I want to know where Custard lives. He's got hundreds of plumbers in his town. I had to call 6 last week before I could get one to come round to ours inside a week!
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You must be a small fish then :) , plenty in my area, along with electricians etc, last time I needed work doing I had one come withing 24 hours, also had electrical work done in my garage and 3 days later it was done and all for a good price.

To be fair we need to train up British workers to be plumbers and not import them.
 
Mr Custard said:
That we all agree on, but not everyone unemployed wants to be unemployed, plenty want a job but not on a crap wage, which is what happens when you let too many people in to the country in one hit
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We still had nearly 2 million sat on their ring pieces in the early 2000's before Poland joined the EU and we had tonnes of unfilled vacancies. Career doleites and scrounging spongers don't work because they can't be arsed
 
Sir Stan said:
Minimum wage needs to go up, border control needs to be stricter, we're agreed on that.

It doesn't change the fact that many British people can do the jobs that the Romanians do but they prefer to live off the state rather than work for minimum wage. You could empty the country of everyone except those people and they still wouldn't want to work.

What is naive is to think that by getting rid of the immigrants there will suddenly be jobs for the Brits. Many of them don't want a job. The immigrants give them a great excuse to sit on their arses and watch Jeremy Kyle.
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If you read the last part of what I wrote, you will see that I don't disagree with immigration or the fact that our benefits system make it easier for our own to sit on there arses and not find work. What I don't want, is being told that we have to fulfil a quota for migrants by the EU. Surely if the need is an additional 50,000 people in year X, 100,000 in year Y and only 20,000 in year Z, then that's our immigration policy.
My other argument is that immigration (by virtue of lower wages) is somehow good for the country. As already mentioned this is not being reflected when awarding contracts, just the boys at the top being able to take a larger profit.

Before the insults start from the normal suspects, I will say that I am still undecided about which way to vote.
My heart says leave, my head says stay. The only constant so far is that both sides are spouting so many lies and so much nonsense, it is making the decision difficult.
 
Tobes said:
We still had nearly 2 million sat on their ring pieces in the early 2000's before Poland joined the EU and we had tonnes of unfilled vacancies. Career doleites and scrounging spongers don't work because they can't be arsed
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Most of them scousers I guess <laugh>
We all know we have many scroungers but we as a country cant take the mass influx of immigration more people than the size of Liverpool every year is too many, the NHS cant cope, but dont worry, when you need it you may be lucky and only have to wait 5 years
 
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