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ON 23rd of June which way are you going to vote?.

  • IN

    Votes: 28 43.8%
  • OUT

    Votes: 34 53.1%
  • DON'T KNOW

    Votes: 4 6.3%

  • Total voters
    64
  • Poll closed .
that's because the torturing of greece means they can sell off their state assets in a fire sale. Guess whos running some of the Greek airports now (ze germans)

theres that but the primary reason is to scare the italians. The german banks are the most guilty in europa for the financial crisis and germany has decided they will get paid EVERYTHING.

The state assets while nice are merely a bonus.

make no mistake.. they will turn the screw on us or anyone else... who won the war again?
 
Britex, the government may have to bail out banks again. Who is going to pay?. Taxpayers.

no eu capital requirement rules after brexit so bail out banks?

well if we tell everyone we are leaving and they take their money over to deutche bank whos fault is it?

we can just say less capital required and roll on i suppose...
 
I believe the french are voting for britain to get the **** out cos we are worse than isis after yesterday.

In short..... the french/german axis will be very vindictive. they have tortured greece constantly. If britain thinks it can sit on the side and get all the benefits with none of the costs...well they will make sure we dont

I'm not so sure about the French...current polling suggests they have a higher % anti Europe than we do.

And this is the problem among many mainland Europe states. Populations are equating those in charge domestically, who they basically believe are the 1%ers with the EU...austerity measures, high unemployment, 100% GDP debt.

Even in Germany the anti EU figures are comparable to the UK in polls.

A lot of European countries have elections coming up. The increase in support of Nationalist parties suggests that there's nothere's no warm fuzzy feeling towards their European leaders for increased integration.

It will be interesting to see how those elections go...especially if we vote leave.

The current leaders might be vindictive but will they still have the authority?
 
Germans are pro-Europe because their economy is very strong. There is a possibility that they are going to be affected if Britain checks out.
 
The figures that supprised me were Italy being that high in favour, France that high not in favour and Germany being that close.

The polling seems to have been carried out in spring 2016. When did Merkel do her open door policy announcement? That might be a factor in these figures.
 
I'm not so sure about the French...current polling suggests they have a higher % anti Europe than we do.

And this is the problem among many mainland Europe states. Populations are equating those in charge domestically, who they basically believe are the 1%ers with the EU...austerity measures, high unemployment, 100% GDP debt.

Even in Germany the anti EU figures are comparable to the UK in polls.

A lot of European countries have elections coming up. The increase in support of Nationalist parties suggests that there's nothere's no warm fuzzy feeling towards their European leaders for increased integration.

It will be interesting to see how those elections go...especially if we vote leave.

The current leaders might be vindictive but will they still have the authority?

the fench are all in... so..... the issues they have are empire related not EU related. they frnakly are wannabe communists and would love to go down the route greece went down before the crash.. vast wages, pensions 20 hour weeks retire at 50... blah blah.. I have about as much time for france as RHC.

They are in the euro.. they developed the euro...

Also most elections coming are decided on own issues not eu issues and on immigration cos merkel the fool opened the doors then immiediately slammed them shut.

Increases integration is a thing of the past... thats no reason to end a common market place.

I hope some more countires WAKE THE **** UP and change the thing. we can either beleive cameron really things we can change it or beleive johnsons bollox about just getting out.
 
It's figures like these that make me think that a Brexit result might actually be a good thing...that's not the same as saying actual Brexit. It could lead two ways: 1) the nationalistic side goes anti British and reverses the downward trend of the major EU countries or 2) the Polls continue to slump and the EU is forced to make actual reform to put out the wildfire....
 
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I 100% beleive most ordinary europeans want to change the thing

I beleive the is a STRONG case that UK can be a strong voice within to shape that change. I don't believe we've any voice outside.
 
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the fench are all in... so..... the issues they have are empire related not EU related. they frnakly are wannabe communists and would love to go down the route greece went down before the crash.. vast wages, pensions 20 hour weeks retire at 50... blah blah.. I have about as much time for france as RHC.

They are in the euro.. they developed the euro...

Also most elections coming are decided on own issues not eu issues and on immigration cos merkel the fool opened the doors then immiediately slammed them shut.

Increases integration is a thing of the past... thats no reason to end a common market place.

I hope some more countires WAKE THE **** UP and change the thing. we can either beleive cameron really things we can change it or beleive johnsons bollox about just getting out.

See the Polling I posted...The french elite might be all in but the population as a whole doesn't seem to share their enthusiasm....and that's what I was referring to.
 
Honestly...everyone is talking based on the assumption that they believe Dodgey Dave and the EU leaders are to be believed when they say "No further renegotiation" and "I'll push the exit button immediately on a Out vote result"

I don't think either of these things is true.

I think an out vote will lead to a bit of a cave by EU leaders...especially if dissatisfaction levels within mainland countries increases and is reflected in upcoming elections.

I believe Cameron being the slimey Politician he is will stall based on the reason "since we are going we need to start exit negotiations" but in reality he thinks he can go back to EU leaders and say....Do you really want the dominoes to start falling?

We have all fell for the idea that either side Cameron or EU leaders actually meant what they said....which would be a first in European politics ....
 
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See the Polling I posted...The french elite might be all in but the population as a whole doesn't seem to share their enthusiasm....and that's what I was referring to.

yes but its as simplistic there as it is here to present a in or out argument.

in or out is a tory internal pledge we are having to suffer through.

Its been clear that the UE needs reform and to step a long way back from the federalist stuff.

For me there is a case where in effect "aid" is being given to smaller countries to grow and the common market and such are the vital aspects.

TTIP is a smoke screen IMO. decades of global deals have shown the group can negotiate better than the individual and Uk industries have benefited. If TTIP doesn't suit make it a god damn election issue and vote the tories out on it.
 
Honestly...everyone is talking based on the assumption that they believe Dodgey Dave and the EU leaders are to be believed when they say "No further renegotiation" and "I'll push the exit button immediately on a Out vote result"

I don't think either of these things is true.

I think an out vote will lead to a bit of a cave by EU leaders...especially if dissatisfaction levels within mainland countries increases and is reflected in upcoming elections.

I believe Cameron being the slimey Politician he is will stall based on the reason "since we are going we need to start exit negotiations" but in reality he thinks he can go back to EU leaders and say....Do you really want the dominoes to start falling?

We have all fell for the idea that either side Cameron or EU leaders actually meant what they said....which would be a first in European politics ....

I can see all of that but i can also see cameron being pushed out of tory leadership on a leave vote and then the next guy BORIS playing up to the crowd that put him in.
 
i'm inclined to side with the lefties on public vs private on certain assets such as rail. it is very hard to side with one over the other. I think it's better off having slightly less efficient systems and workers (not that this is the case) than having private institutions running it with skeleton staff and trying to maximise profits especially when there isn't an alternative. Normally privitisation is good when theres competition as that's supposed to drive down costs and increase in quality.

Efficiency consultants, re-organisations for me are just a big waste of money and whilst i believe there should be a little bit of monitoring on how well state institutions are run, i think there is far too much wastage on this and too much bureacracy.

With something like trains, people don't have an alternative and it doesn't matter if the service is good or ****, people will still have to use it.

For all the londoners here, Sadiq Khan in his first month has just broken his key election pledge to freeze TFL fares. Only single journey fares are frozen.

Travelcards will go up

http://www.theguardian.com/politics...fares-promise-public-transport-mayor-election

I agree that is awful. Transport, especially railways, is the hidden essential service (those strikes or operating failures or terrorist attacks can cost London @ £1bn a day), and politicians of all shades find it the easiest service to lie and break promises about. 13 years of 'New' Labour and john Prescott did **** all for the railways, and it's significant that Lord Adonis, a key aid of that neo-capitalist Mandleson, flits between parties as seamlessly as a whore at the court of Charles II.
 
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He has been for the wholesale privatisation of the NHS for years. For Boris to even pretend to put extra funding (from the EU exit!!!) to the NHS is a huge joke. No wonder politicians are so disrespected if they can tell such lies without batting an eyelid.

The very fact that every one still talks about the £350m a week figure constantly is testament to Crosbie's 'Dead cat on the table' approach to electioneering.The true figure, as confirmed by prof A Begg of the LSE and the National Audit Office is £100m, and Gove-adder effectively let this dead cat out of the bag by admitting to Faisal Islam that this is the figure they would spend on the NHS 'Perhaps sometime after 2020'. Only even that figure, reduced by five-sevenths of what is on the bus, was downgraded to 75% of diddly squat by IDSS two days later - there's no EU bonanza money for the NHS.

As if the pythons, as Major correctly said, were ever going to spend this money on anything other than tax cuts for the super rich like the five familiesof the right wing press that have bankrolled them.
 
Ok am I the only one who's genuinely worried that Brexit are going to win?

Up until 2 days ago I was quite content that people will vote remain but two things have happened that makes me think Brexit are looking likely to have the edge.

Firstly the polls are showing Brexit are gaining momentum and some show they're even leading.

Secondly EVERY debate I'm watching the Brexit message is well organised and in unison and as a result powerful. It's emotive claptrap but the way it's being delivered makes it sound legitimate and real. While the Remain campaign seem to lack any ideas. They dont seem to be able to counter any claims from Brexit AND more importantly simply AREN'T making a powerful enough claim for people to stay.

I am genuinely worried.
 
Ok am I the only one who's genuinely worried that Brexit are going to win?

Up until 2 days ago I was quite content that people will vote remain but two things have happened that makes me think Brexit are looking likely to have the edge.

Firstly the polls are showing Brexit are gaining momentum and some show they're even leading.

Secondly EVERY debate I'm watching the Brexit message is well organised and in unison and as a result powerful. It's emotive claptrap but the way it's being delivered makes it sound legitimate and real. While the Remain campaign seem to lack any ideas. They dont seem to be able to counter any claims from Brexit AND more importantly simply AREN'T making a powerful enough claim for people to stay.

I am genuinely worried.

First point Yes...as I said...even with an exit vote...actual exit will not happen!

Labour have been a disgrace. The Remain arguments say Labour run areas will be worse effected by Brexit...where have they been? Turn up at odd venue with Cameron...that's it...

I don't know whether they are genuinely afraid to be associated with Tories or more likely in my opinion....they think this blue on blue devastation is good for them
..who says Boris Johnston is a bastard for thinking career first?????