Off Topic European Debate Thread

I don't disagree I'm just being picky tbf. And I'm not sure, haven't heard anything about them I must admit.

 

As opposed to the same old arguments on the out side?

 

So you get to see Muse (fantastic live), Coldplay and others?
Hope it pisses down with rain, not that I'm well jealous or anything

 

Twenty years ago peoples views would have been generally different on the EU.

The Maastricht Treaty and the EU were new.

 

The true cost of the EU on British jobs:

£130 million - The value of fish dumped annually under the EU's Common Fisheries Policy.

The Common Fisheries Policy costs Britain more than £3.7 billion per year caused through the EU depriving the UK of its fishing grounds.

Dr Lee Rotherham: 'The EU's Common Fisheries Policy has cost British coastal communities 115,000 jobs'.

In 1970 there were 21,443 fishermen in the UK, by 2012 that figure had been cut back to just 12,445 because of the EU's CFP.

The Royal Mail is now sold because of EU Postal Directive 2008/6/EC.

Before the UK entered the EEC/EU, unemployment stood at 2.6% - it is now 5.4%.

Europhiles say we must stay in the EU to save jobs. But we have seen thousands of jobs go in Fishing, Ford, Steel etc whilst being in EU?

The high energy costs of EU environmental legislation have closed down the UK's aluminium smelters and is threatening the cement industry.

Ford Transit factory in Southampton closed down causing job losses because Ford moved to (non EU) Turkey with the help of £80m EU funding.

In 2007 the Peugeot factory in Ryton, Coventry closed down (2,300 job losses) and moved to Slovakia with the help of £78m EU funding.

Jaguar Land Rover stops making its Defender in the UK because of EU laws on fuel emissions. It is now set to be built abroad outside the EU.

In 2010, RBS (British taxpayer owned) lent money to Kraft to buy Cadbury's who then moved the jobs out of the UK to Poland.

Tate & Lyle Sugars London says its production has fallen due to the EU's regulation which favours beet sugar rather than cane sugar.

Britain's remaining ferry service to Scandinavia (DFDS Harwich to Esbjerg) ended in 2014 after 140 years service because of an EU Directive.

The EU's Alternative Investment Fund Managers Directive has caused 25% of our Hedge Fund Industry to leave London to Switzerland/Singapore.

The Michelin tyre factory in Ballymena, County Antrim, is to close in 2018 with the loss of 860 jobs due to high EU energy costs.

'3000 police cars foreign made'. Police say they are powerless to offer contracts to British car factories because of EU procurement rules.

Lincolnshire Council refused to give a tax break to Tata Steel saying a discount on their business rates would be illegal under EU law.

Tata Steel cuts 720 jobs blaming 'cripplingly high electricity costs' caused by EU Green Taxes. (Guardian, 16/07/2015)

Obama is trying to stop Brexit because it means the UK won't be involved in TTIP.

The EU's Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP) will see the privatisation of the NHS.

TTIP will bring European disintegration, unemployment and instability. (Global Development and Environment Institute at Tufts University)

TTIP will lead to the direct loss of over 680,000 jobs in the EU. (Report commissioned by the EU from the CEPR in London)

€114 million is spent every year to move the EU Parliament between Brussels and Strasbourg every month. (The European Court of Auditors)

Want to help the poor in developing countries? Scrap the EU's Common Agricultural Policy.

The EU imposes heavy taxes on imports from Africa stopping African countries trading their way out of poverty.

Britain handed control of British food regulation to the EU - Regulation (EC) 178/2002.

By allowing a open door to thousands of unskilled EU migrants we are now forced to turn away skilled migrants from other parts of the world.

Housing is affected by mass immigration since an increase in demand without a increase in supply will drive up both rents and house prices.

The Department of Business has estimated that it will cost the UK £22bn to meet the EU's 2020 energy targets.

If the UK fails to recycle 50 per cent of household waste by 2020 it could face fines from Brussels in excess of £500,000 a day.

Energy prices in the EU increased by 40% from 2006 to 2014.

EU renewable energy rules will double electricity bills by 2020.

The 100 most costly EU Directives will cumulatively cost the UK a staggering £184 billion by 2020. (Open Europe

The EU landed Britain with a £15m fine because it ruled that the UK did not charge enough duty on shipments of garlic from China.

Britain will pay £100 million a year more to the European budget over the next five years. (Telegraph: 03/12/2014)

The UK contributes €570k to the EU's border agency (Frontex) despite not being a member of the Schengen Area.

'EU fines UK £642m for poor accounting'. While the European Co clean urt of Auditors has failed to give the EU a bill of health for 19 years.

 

Ha I'll be avoiding Muse as they're at Benicassim (which I'm also going to... sorry), and not really a fan of Coldplay personally. Rather embarrassingly I'm looking forward to James and Catfish more so!

 

Seen James twice now, great live band.
But avoiding Muse?? Wash your mouth out they are fantastic live unless you mean you will see them at Benicassim
Coldplay are great but I appreciate they are a marmite band.

 

Going to see Coldplay on Saturday week..

 

It's a perfect case of scapegoating. Who will people scapegoat if we leave?

Correlation does not always mean causation.

Without some fishing laws a lot of species of fish would be endangered.

Unemployment is high because of the global financial crisis and crippling austerity.

Royal mail was sold off because the tories love to sell something off so their mates can get a profit.

 

Yes otherwise they would've emphasised that as the reason for doing it at the time

 

The Tories did use the excuse of "liberalisation". Liberalisation is an instruction from the EU. The Tories where behind in timescales observed by other EU members and the creation of a single market for postal services.

What the Tories did put in place early was downstream access. A practice that made the Royal Mail run services at a loss.

The cost is thousands of lost jobs, poorer service, and more expense for the consumer

 

Wind it in a bit. Right across the EU private sector has taken over nationalised posts.

 

MTG you have a habit of replying to posts to counter argue them without any knowledge of the facts whatsoever.. You need to read the attached link which is the Common fisheries policy across Europe. British fishing has been 'taken over' by EU protected trawlers from other countries. sustainable fish stocks is an entirely different issue altogether.

http://britishseafishing.co.uk/conservation/common-fisheries-policy-cfp/

 

What so because the Tories didn't explain to you personally, that they sold the Royal Mail off because of an EU request in 2008 (at the time Labour ran government) it's a lie?

 

The EU's rules on universal service providers go back well before 2008. These include postal services.

In a much earlier post MTG made a point about utilities/nationalisation. He appeared to be in favour of nationalised (universal service providers) utilities. It was pointed out then that Nationalisation falls foul of EU rules on competition. The Royal Mail was sold off because of the EU, and will not be re-nationalised because of the EU.

 

Lot of British industry and jobs have been severely damaged and destroyed by the EU. A fact.