The use of Nazi images on this board

[Tel (they/them)]

You do know this wasn't a serious comment amigo, '83 knows the craic

G takes everything seriously mate, he's like a meerkat on red alert.

 

[Teessidemackem]

Just read this thread and i cant believe how pathetic and sad some people are on here getting offended over a picture on an internet forum ffs..

Get a fecking life!!!

 

[Gordon Armstrong]

G takes everything seriously mate, he's like a meerkat on red alert.

Am I . . . . just waiting to pounce

 

[Nostalgic]

I have just read the first page of this thread and parachuted in here so have no idea what the full impact of argument has been and do not particularly care.

All I want to remind everybody of is that this week in 1940 the evacuation of Dunkirk took place saving what was left of the British Army to eventually fight back and crush the Nazis. And also at this time the massacre of some of those soldiers took place after they had surrendered.

 

[Blunham Mackem]

Everyone just needs to calm down.

The Euro's are almost upon us, which is the root of this thread anyway.

Everyone just take a chill pill........ and breathe.

 

[MrRAWhite]

There are two ways to look at this. Firstly, there was almost half a million British killed during WW2 by forces who operated under this flag, with over 60 million killed in total.
The other way to look at at is that the reason so many people died was to maintain our freedom of thought and expression that the NAZI party would have taken away..
Personally, I would never display that flag, but that's just me.

 

[QWOP]

Never boring on here.

 

[Commachio]

History eh?

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[Zlash]

By the way, who the **** did you draw?

I didn't fella. Must have missed the memo about the sweep

 

[grandpops]

There are two ways to look at this. Firstly, there was almost half a million British killed during WW2 by forces who operated under this flag, with over 60 million killed in total.
The other way to look at at is that the reason so many people died was to maintain our freedom of thought and expression that the NAZI party would have taken away..
Personally, I would never display that flag, but that's just me.

Members of my family were killed in WW2. One in the RAF and another in the Russian arctic convoys. I wasn`t outraged by the avatar nor was I outraged on behalf of anyone else. Hitler was an arsehole but unfortunately history is littered with them.

I can only judge by my reaction and I was no more upset than if it had been Mussolini, Stalin, Pol Pot or Napoleon.

It wasn`t ISIS. It wasn`t propaganda. At worst it was possibly a bit thoughtless. A load of kerfuffle over nothing imo.

 

[originallambrettaman]

That lambrettaman is a ****ing prick. He implied I'd been sharing kiddy porn, I won't be so easy when that **** comes on here

No he didn't.

Grow up.

 

[Deleted #]

No he didn't.

Grow up.

Yes you did, ****ing arsehole. Everybody seen it, why are you bothering to deny it?

Now, a serious chat which we need to have. Myself, and many other posters on here have children. May I ask what was going through your head to even bring up that subject when nobody had mentioned it? You need to explain because it's concerning that a grown man can get them sort of thoughts.

 

[Washysafc]

Ok I started this so I think I should bring it to a close here are my thoughts and reasons for being offended, remember we are all allowed our opinion.

There are a number of members of my parents generation who I never got to see as the were killed fighting the Nazis, I have friends who's mother or farther were the only members of their families to survive, when the rest of their families were either shot, gassed or starved to death by the Nazis. During the 1930's there were a lot of people who thought that Hitler was a joke and in some cases agreed with him views. At the time a lot of good people sat back and said or did nothing. this is best expressed in the well known poem:

When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I wasn't a Jew.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.

There is no way in which I am suggesting that safc83 is a supporter of the Nazis, indeed I would put him in the ranks of the good who did nothing in the 1930's and I accept that his use of the flag was meant as a joke and his inclusion of the picture of Hitler was as reaction to me asking him to remove the flag in the first place. I thank him for removing the image.

I agree that there is a fine line between free speech and censorship, however the use of such symbols, over time detoxifies them and allows others to reappraise history. It is on that basis that my objection stands. There are times when uncomfortable stands have to be taken, one of which was going to war against Hitler and when necessary bombing factories and civilian targets to end the evil which was taking place in Europe, those acts taken by themselves could be seen to be evil, but they were the lesser evil and a necessary one at the time. I see objecting to the use of the images as a lesser evil to protect free speech, I know a lot of you will not agree with me.

As to me growing a pair I thing that you need a pair to start with if you want to stand up for your principles and I will always do that.

I don't think I have ever been accused of offending people on here in the past and that while not the most prolific poster I have been here since the beginning ans stuck with the site while others have come and gone.

So now that I have made my point can we get back to football?

 

[Deleted #]

Ok I started this so I think I should bring it to a close here are my thoughts and reasons for being offended, remember we are all allowed our opinion.

There are a number of members of my parents generation who I never got to see as the were killed fighting the Nazis, I have friends who's mother or farther were the only members of their families to survive, when the rest of their families were either shot, gassed or starved to death by the Nazis. During the 1930's there were a lot of people who thought that Hitler was a joke and in some cases agreed with him views. At the time a lot of good people sat back and said or did nothing. this is best expressed in the well known poem:

When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I wasn't a Jew.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.

There is no way in which I am suggesting that safc83 is a supporter of the Nazis, indeed I would put him in the ranks of the good who did nothing in the 1930's and I accept that his use of the flag was meant as a joke and his inclusion of the picture of Hitler was as reaction to me asking him to remove the flag in the first place. I thank him for removing the image.

I agree that there is a fine line between free speech and censorship, however the use of such symbols, over time detoxifies them and allows others to reappraise history. It is on that basis that my objection stands. There are times when uncomfortable stands have to be taken, one of which was going to war against Hitler and when necessary bombing factories and civilian targets to end the evil which was taking place in Europe, those acts taken by themselves could be seen to be evil, but they were the lesser evil and a necessary one at the time. I see objecting to the use of the images as a lesser evil to protect free speech, I know a lot of you will not agree with me.

As to me growing a pair I thing that you need a pair to start with if you want to stand up for your principles and I will always do that.

I don't think I have ever been accused of offending people on here in the past and that while not the most prolific poster I have been here since the beginning ans stuck with the site while others have come and gone.

So now that I have made my point can we get back to football?

Is that why you try to suffocate other people's opinions.

****ing knob.

 

[originallambrettaman]

Yes you did, ****ing arsehole. Everybody seen it, why are you bothering to deny it?

Now, a serious chat which we need to have. Myself, and many other posters on here have children. May I ask what was going through your head to even bring up that subject when nobody had mentioned it? You need to explain because it's concerning that a grown man can get them sort of thoughts.

As it's impossible to have a reasonable discussion with you, I'm not going to waste my time attempting to do so.

 

[Deleted #]

As it's impossible to have a reasonable discussion with you, I'm not going to waste my time attempting to do so.

Well just continue on your way around the boards bringing up the subject of kiddy porn, out of the blue, then

Nice of you to be on the Hull board yesterday calling me a ****ing idiot and questioning why the mods on this board keep letting me back on... (It might be because I don't bring up kiddy porn)

 

[Tel (they/them)]

Ok I started this so I think I should bring it to a close here are my thoughts and reasons for being offended, remember we are all allowed our opinion.

There are a number of members of my parents generation who I never got to see as the were killed fighting the Nazis, I have friends who's mother or farther were the only members of their families to survive, when the rest of their families were either shot, gassed or starved to death by the Nazis. During the 1930's there were a lot of people who thought that Hitler was a joke and in some cases agreed with him views. At the time a lot of good people sat back and said or did nothing. this is best expressed in the well known poem:

When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I wasn't a Jew.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.

There is no way in which I am suggesting that safc83 is a supporter of the Nazis, indeed I would put him in the ranks of the good who did nothing in the 1930's and I accept that his use of the flag was meant as a joke and his inclusion of the picture of Hitler was as reaction to me asking him to remove the flag in the first place. I thank him for removing the image.

I agree that there is a fine line between free speech and censorship, however the use of such symbols, over time detoxifies them and allows others to reappraise history. It is on that basis that my objection stands. There are times when uncomfortable stands have to be taken, one of which was going to war against Hitler and when necessary bombing factories and civilian targets to end the evil which was taking place in Europe, those acts taken by themselves could be seen to be evil, but they were the lesser evil and a necessary one at the time. I see objecting to the use of the images as a lesser evil to protect free speech, I know a lot of you will not agree with me.

As to me growing a pair I thing that you need a pair to start with if you want to stand up for your principles and I will always do that.

I don't think I have ever been accused of offending people on here in the past and that while not the most prolific poster I have been here since the beginning ans stuck with the site while others have come and gone.

So now that I have made my point can we get back to football?

You're choosing to be offended by it, and it is a choice.

It was never, ever intended to promote Hitler or Nazi's, so I am deducing from this that you walk into libraries and book shops, dvd shops, museums, car boot sales and many other places and ask them to destroy their merchandise or artifacts that may depict these images.

As for your last sentence, no, this site will never be about just football exclusively, deal with it.

 

[Washysafc]

You're choosing to be offended by it, and it is a choice.

It was never, ever intended to promote Hitler or Nazi's, so I am deducing from this that you walk into libraries and book shops, dvd shops, museums, car boot sales and many other places and ask them to destroy their merchandise or artifacts that may depict these images.

As for your last sentence, no, this site will never be about just football exclusively, deal with it.

Tel, if you read my post you can see that I never said it was about promoting Hitler or his views.

 

[Deleted #]

Ok I started this so I think I should bring it to a close here are my thoughts and reasons for being offended, remember we are all allowed our opinion.

There are a number of members of my parents generation who I never got to see as the were killed fighting the Nazis, I have friends who's mother or farther were the only members of their families to survive, when the rest of their families were either shot, gassed or starved to death by the Nazis. During the 1930's there were a lot of people who thought that Hitler was a joke and in some cases agreed with him views. At the time a lot of good people sat back and said or did nothing. this is best expressed in the well known poem:

When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I wasn't a Jew.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.

There is no way in which I am suggesting that safc83 is a supporter of the Nazis, indeed I would put him in the ranks of the good who did nothing in the 1930's and I accept that his use of the flag was meant as a joke and his inclusion of the picture of Hitler was as reaction to me asking him to remove the flag in the first place. I thank him for removing the image.

I agree that there is a fine line between free speech and censorship, however the use of such symbols, over time detoxifies them and allows others to reappraise history. It is on that basis that my objection stands. There are times when uncomfortable stands have to be taken, one of which was going to war against Hitler and when necessary bombing factories and civilian targets to end the evil which was taking place in Europe, those acts taken by themselves could be seen to be evil, but they were the lesser evil and a necessary one at the time. I see objecting to the use of the images as a lesser evil to protect free speech, I know a lot of you will not agree with me.

As to me growing a pair I thing that you need a pair to start with if you want to stand up for your principles and I will always do that.

I don't think I have ever been accused of offending people on here in the past and that while not the most prolific poster I have been here since the beginning ans stuck with the site while others have come and gone.

So now that I have made my point can we get back to football?

BUT BUT BUT

What about the British done to the French Fleet and Dresden?

 

[Deleted #]

Tel, if you read my post you can see that I never said it was about promoting Hitler or his views.

Do you like how you have thrown this board into chaos? On your views only.

Sad bastard. Now run along before you miss out on things to be offended by.

You have had all the attention you craved, surely?