Off Topic European Debate Thread

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In, out, or undecided?

  • In

    Votes: 12 27.3%

  • Out

    Votes: 27 61.4%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 5 11.4%
  • Total voters
    44
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I do a lot of travelling around and meet a lot of people from all over the country through my other hobbies/job .... especially this time of the year ..I can honestly say I have not seen a single banner on a post, a building, farm gate, in a field in a garden that says " stay in or in" however I have seen a lot of "leave"
people I socialize with, in my hobbies are from all aspects of life, and have something like a 3 -1 majority for out
comments on why ....
1) federalism
2) being dictated as to what we can and cant do and what we spend our pitiful return on ... #A
3) immigration , not controlled which nearly always is a positive but illegals and being forced to take more than we can handle.
4) being a victim of the increased expenditure of the Euromarket as they screw up their Euro and budgets so expect us to pay the resulting inflation of it..... this argument is rather complicated I have heard it argued in 2 different places miles apart and to be truthful I don't fully understand the mechanism's involved but do sort of understand where they are coming from.. basically it is self inflicted wastage ...
these 4 items are amongst the commonest discussed...

#A .. we give the " market" £13 billion we get back up to 1/3rd and are told you can only spend it on blah blah ..so..
..we leave .. we adopt a 4 year plan we pay the "market" zilch for each year, we pick the 4 most projects in need and spend the equivalent of our " net payment" on them, other third is theoretical profit and will help get the national debt down ... all projects could be started at day 1 as money would be available over the 4 years

1)health service and pensioners/care etc (possibly using some of "other" to help fund it) £8-12b
2)transport £8b
3)housing and infrastructure £8b
4)other .... this involved loads of alternatives £4b -£8b
 
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Redprintt said:
Mtg,RODney and Banksy

So it's all my fault.
I've been throwing up reading this outpouring of affection.
Yoom all Girls.

Ps - Am I full on or just borderline sexist ?
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But two of the three you named are girls mate.

I also believe that MTG is getting you and me confused with someone who has red in their name, who has posted some borderline racist comments.
 
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bcfcredandwhite said:
Apparantly if we leave the EU house prices will plummet - surely that would be a good thing for you MTG?

Bad for me - I have 3 houses :(
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Apparently mortgage rates will go up so it will be cancelled down a bit.

The difficulty is that house prices need to come down do people can afford them but at the same time it is bad for others losing money on their properties. I reckon a gradual decline in price would be the optimum but that optimums never happen in the real world.

I'd personally try and stop prices rising and limit buy to let while the situation sorts itself out.
 
banksyisourhero said:
I can't afford the one I've got..
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Not surprised it's ****ing huge!

Mind the gap! said:
Apparently mortgage rates will go up so it will be cancelled down a bit.

The difficulty is that house prices need to come down do people can afford them but at the same time it is bad for others losing money on their properties. I reckon a gradual decline in price would be the optimum but that optimums never happen in the real world.

I'd personally try and stop prices rising and limit buy to let while the situation sorts itself out.
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Believe it not, mortgage prices have nearly always been out of reach. When I got my first house I was on £8k a year and the company upped my wages to £10k to get the house I bought for £38k. But that was after the high interest rate that forced loads into negative equity.

It will look difficult and at the moment I can't see it getting better for you young uns, but there will be time when something clicks and you get your mortgage. Perhaps they might go American way and do 100 year mortgages so you pass them down to kids etc.

But one thing I do know is my grandparents didn't have a lot to leave, but we are in the age of insurance policy's booming with extra cover and people my age taking advantage so when we depart we leave you lot more funds. Horrible subject but it's what's happening.
 
I'm out and for one simple reason, it's nothing to do with jobs, financial needs or even migration. All the aspects that some IN campaigners go on about. I hear about house prices falling, good i say, it affects us all, so be it. I hear about job losses, well it can't be any worse than the situation with steel mills, NHS struggling and god knows what else.

So why do I want out, well Boris did nail it slightly for me with the Hitler comment, yes not quite the same context but a one state just the same, so to my reason...

If I travel to Spain, France, Germany, Italy or any other country, I want to see their culture, I want hear their language, I want to spend their currency, I want to abide by their rules including trade and marketing, I want everyone to be different, surely that is what we have always strived for in peacetime, in a multi cultural diverse society, if we all become cloned Europeans, everything marketed and labelled the same, every country abiding by the same EU regulations, everyone becoming part of an EU like the United States of America, then Hitler has achieved his dream in part from beyond the grave. Unelected people dictating to us, governing us, one army, one state, no diversity, one culture.
 
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pirate49 said:
The clue's in the name. Started as Common MARKET, now European UNION.
I'm not 100% yet but it looks like OUT for me.
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I'm the same but with me it started as COMMON, which meant all of us and I voted YES but now it's EUROPEAN,which is just some of us, I look to the world and I'll be voting NO and I still agree with you.
 
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