Off Topic European Debate Thread

Your sentiments are admirable but a simple question. What is the point in building houses if no one has the money to buy them? Personal debt already exceeds national debt. The only option will be to reduce prices and then developers wont build them and half the country will be in negative equity. The whole thing is like a big jelly i.e. something sticks out so you push it in and it comes out the other side in some other form. I don't pretend to know the answer but we have to make a balanced decision based on our perceptions. The joy of debate is everyone has different needs and views. The most popular view will win. Campaigners should be concentrating on getting people to actually vote. "Bums on seats" will count as the votes profile is already known older people want out youngsters want in

 

Eu will still remain a top 4 superpower,

The percentage of world Gdp per country will decrease as other countries gdps rise globally. This does not mean that our wealth will decrease.

In fact wiz that article proves my point that we need to stay in Eu to remain competitive and that if we leave our influence and wealth globally will fall even more

 

Why have you quoted this when you can't even be bothered to watch the movie? All this is rubbish and fundamentally wrong about it in parts (fishing for example) as thats not what was said..

And this sums it up..

"It is simply their own freedom to rule this country"

That is exactly what it is, it has worked here for hundreds of years and long may it continue. I will be voting out and will hope the majority agree.

 

the out campaign unfortunately has ability to put patriotism before thinking and logic

 

EU regs suit you though don't they Lared.. you can have your village greens and Judicial reviews and keep on appealing and arguing till they will eventually tire of you so much you get your own way.

 

You have not put one single post on here that has contained any thinking or logic MTG and its been pointed out to you by many posters again and again..

 

1) Eu parliament is a democracy, most parliament laws are not restricted by Eu. Apart from ones similar to bedroom tax and allowing employers to exploit employees

2) yes it won't although that doesn't mean that things won't change for the worse such as tariffs

3) very unlikely that these trading agreements would be better

4)small sums of money, the Eu development fund is largely beneficial

5) no different to other parliaments/most business deals

6)downright false

7) policy is not unfair on all citizens of Eu. Not taking in skilled migrants from elsewhere bit is bollocks.

8) increasing cooperation is still beneficial though.

9) what is the problem in this, it doesn't hinder us. If we had a larger farming industry then we would get more money.

10) integration is a good thing, the Eu is about raising standards across Europe

IF THESE ARE THE 10 BEST REASONS FOR LEAVING THEN IT IS NOT WORTH LEAVING AT all

 

I think the advantages to our economy and the benefits of the EU parliament is a good thing and that leaving is rash and unthoughtful

 

And I think you have spoken complete rubbish from the first page and the only reason you have given for us for staying in is so you can get a nice little EU based job..

So unthoughtful appears to be self serving and thinking only of yourself.. but we've been here before haven't we..

 

IF THESE ARE YOUR BEST 10 ARGUMENTS ITS NOT WORTH READING ANYMORE OF YOUR POSTS..

NO, 5 HOW WOULD YOU KNOW YOU'RE STILL AT SCHOOL?

 

Number 3

 

You are obviously an intelligent man who has formed views to which you are entitled. The big difference between you and I is that I never default to personal abuse. All that does in my eyes is demean your credibility. The way you speak to MTG is sometimes disgusting and unacceptable. He is obviously an extremely intelligent young man who is passionate about his point of view. The fact that you dismiss his views as Bollocks as he has no experience of life does not mean he has to be wrong. What I do say is that he is the future and you are the past. None of us can change that. Challenge his views if you must but do not demean him or else he will become the more determined.
As regards Village Greens the Commons Act 2006 is English legislation and for your information I always strongly opposed the AV application which failed because of the incompetence of SLs advisors and BCC. AV residents were extremely lucky to win and they know it. The good thing however was that the lessons learnt helped to change VG law.

 

1) Eu parliament is a democracy, most parliament laws are not restricted by Eu. Apart from ones similar to bedroom tax and allowing employers to exploit employees. What about stopping the blocking of prisioners from voting which we have had for generations and needs to stay, holding up sound legal arguements incrasing cost to tax payer as a result.

2) yes it won't although that doesn't mean that things won't change for the worse such as tariffs-can be countered by tading more with other countries and more likely to benefit EU if they limit the tariffs

3) very unlikely that these trading agreements would be better-why not more countries outside the EU in the commonwelath which we have more in common with.

4)small sums of money, the Eu development fund is largely beneficial- Tell that to the farmers

5) no different to other parliaments/most business deals- We at least have the ability to ask for freedom of information

6)downright false - Why whats your reasoning for this?

7) policy is not unfair on all citizens of Eu. Not taking in skilled migrants from elsewhere bit is bollocks.-No's its not tell that to the Americans who have the skills and the language and the empolyers who have to pay through the nose to employ the best.

8) increasing cooperation is still beneficial though.-not for the ukraine and crimea

9) what is the problem in this, it doesn't hinder us. If we had a larger farming industry then we would get more money.- oh my days really it hinders us that we lose money on farming which pushes up the costs to the framers.

10) integration is a good thing, the Eu is about raising standards across Europe- like i said what about the lack of gay rights in EU Countries done 0 for it want to bring in the Ukraine which has an awful record of gay rights.

 

Clinging to MTG now as your last bastion because he shares your views, how sad. Oh and you have called me a thug, bully and a hooligan, yet you know nothing about me or my family but you don't resort to personal abuse? There will be a day when you can say that to me personally rather than hide on here.

I know exactly what you did John and when and I might be a lot of things but I'm no liar..

You however are a massive liar and I can prove it...

Just so you know.. I couldn't care less what MTG thinks, I have asked him on numerous occasions to back up his statements with some evidence, he has consistently failed to do that. but repeated over and over the same rubbish.. (much like yourself!)

 

..

 

Took Mrs R to the Doctors today.
We had to wait while 4 Eastern Europeans registered, it was like pulling teeth, they could barely utter a word in English.
In the waiting room were 2 families (6 including their children) from Europe.
We haven't a clue how many are here, but I met 10 in a rural backwater today.

 

We have our own being put on the back burner,whilst we deal with these free loaders.
Wrong very wrong.