Show the membership scheme the red card!
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Looks like the Trust doesn't want a red card protest at Wembley.
http://hullcitysupporterstrust.com/final-red-card-protest-against-membership-scheme/
http://hullcitysupporterstrust.com/final-red-card-protest-against-membership-scheme/
We have to stop at some point and we don't want it to fizzle out gradually as people get less interested but would rather it went out on a high.
We'll be focusing our attentions on other ways of fighting this scheme such as those mentioned on this board. The red cards have succeeded in uniting the fans and showing each other that we're almost all agreed on this. The next step is to push it nationally. We need to get MPs and governing bodies involved and get national media talking about it.
So, how are you going to do that?
Honestly, I think 60-70% of the stadium had red cards held aloft. A fair percentage of which probably had absolutely no idea why they they were holding them them aloft. A fair few got the red cards with no intention of waving them about, but took them instead to make paper aeroplanes out of.
This is based on a quick consensus of people that sit around me in the South Stand.
Most around me think the membership scheme is great, they are saving money - which I'm ok with them having that opinion. My issues are not around saving money, I'm well paid and it's affordable for me at any price within reason - it's around forcing people to move unnecessarily and concession removal, particularly for families, OAPs etc and missing a massive opportunity tapping into the next generation of City fans. It may feel like the majority on this board share that view, but that certainly isn't a reflection of the feeling in the stands, certainly around where I sit.
The membership scheme can still be run successfully, it just needs a rethink on some of the key outlined areas.
The marketing at this club is nothing short of atrocious.
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We wont be going to wembley
Instead we can celebrate this ****ty no concessions idea being a flop
Instead we can celebrate this ****ty no concessions idea being a flop
Filey coach has 20 renewing / moving
16 not going next season
Plenty in n4 say they wont go next season
If we dont go up i think 3,000 wont bother going next season
Just a guess of course
16 not going next season
Plenty in n4 say they wont go next season
If we dont go up i think 3,000 wont bother going next season
Just a guess of course
Here's a thought if you want the Allams out. Look at the core business. Buy a generator company and sell the gennies at cost. 
"Following consultation with fans using social media"
****, I missed it again. Where was it?
That does seem to keep on being glossed over for some reason.
We put a poll on Twitter and Facebook. It was nothing serious though. Just a quick opinion gager to see if it was worth doing again or if people were unlikely to join in.
The national press aren't interested Difficult to get them interested if there is no protest at Wembley. They may be interested if there are protests by away supporters next season. By which time the scheme will be up and running.
I doubt the local Labour MPs would be interested. The governing bodies might be but only if they change their rules. Which leaves whether Hull City Council's Trading Standards will prosecute the owners.
Cheers.
It's **** that we're even having to think of it on such an important game, and I can see the arguments both ways for continuing and for stopping. I'd say stopping is probably a reasonable choice, but with the caveat that the issue is pushed harder in other areas instead.
I still think you continue to miss a big part of the problem by not making more of an issue of the evictions.
Cheers.
It's **** that we're even having to think of it on such an important game, and I can see the arguments both ways for continuing and for stopping. I'd say stopping is probably a reasonable choice, but with the caveat that the issue is pushed harder in other areas instead.
I still think you continue to miss a big part of the problem by not making more of an issue of the evictions.
I'm not sure you can separate the two, the opposition to the scheme as it stands is based on all its aspects, both pricing and seat moves. The proposals that the Trust put forward as alternatives all involved the reintroduction of concessions and people staying where they were.
Potentially closing the Upper West is the single most stupid aspect of the whole thing for me.
It's quite obvious from the responses on social media, that there's absolutely nowhere near enough support for a protest at Wembley should we get there.
I think you will recall that I was saying exactly this about 3 years ago. In particular I openly criticized James Mooney, who, as far as I am aware, is the senior manager responsible for all marketing (and communication?) activity at the club - I am happy to retract this if he isn't.
Granted, in the early days, it might of appeared (to some) that he did not embrace the clubs strategy, but was trying to tease it into something more socially acceptable; in other words, he was working around his employers to appease the supporters he met.
Others, such as me (there certainly weren't many of us), thought he was simply playing with folk who trusted him, giving them a glimmer of hope when he knew very well that there was none.
I think I was right, I think I'm still right; nice guy or not, Mooney is the employee he is and just maybe more than that.
Well, that ship sailed a long time ago. The marketing and communication strategy, tone and delivery of the club is so very, very poor that I find it very difficult to believe that an industry professional, with an ounce of thought for future credibility, would stay with it - unless of course, he entirely believes and agrees with it, or is already too tainted to move elsewhere.
Someone made the good point that about 12-25,000 people held up,red cards. If we got to Wembley half of the ground would not have been amongst those. A lot at Wembley would be there for the occasion and not join in as they won't be affected. The seats opposite the cameras would have very few joining in. So the impact would be negligible and in fact negative as it could lead to ridicule.
A wise tactical move in my opinion.
A wise tactical move in my opinion.
I don't do twatter of facebook, so I've maybe missed a fair bit, but what I have seen seems to have the evictions as an after thought.
Quite a few know from personal experience how **** evictions are, particularly when it doesn't seem to be recognised.(or worse).
The lessons of the past are there to be learned from. Breaking up long term groups is a big part of the problem. The closure is pushed by the club as separate from the membership scheme, so scrapping the scheme doesn't automatically mean a change of heart on the closure of upper west.
From what I've gathered, the Allam's are totally NON-NEGOTIABLE on any decisions they make.
Can anyone give me an example where, at any time, with Hull City or their Business, they have said "Oh, sorry, we'll scrap that and do it your way"!
I don't think so.
Can anyone give me an example where, at any time, with Hull City or their Business, they have said "Oh, sorry, we'll scrap that and do it your way"!
I don't think so.
Just had a look at HCST's twitter fed. I can see a poll with 2/3rds support for a protest at Derby County but nothing similar for the home match or Wembley. I didn't see a tweet asking for opinions either.Of course not using twitter I may have missed them.