Match Day Thread Derby v Hull City

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Sterling Archer said:
Again, typical City fan response. "We've been at the bottom." "In my day we were playing Bury and Halifax." Flash forward, it's 2016. Hull City aren't a little team pushing for a promotion to Division 2 anymore. We've spent money, have a quality squad and now have the expectations to match. It could be worse, it could get a whole lot worse if you look at the likes of Bolton, Bradford, Fulham, Blackburn, Wigan and Swindon. They didn't bounce straight back either.

If you enjoyed the days of popping out to see City play Plymouth in front of a crowd of 4,500 people then you're in for a shock because those days are gone. Missing out on promotion this season would mean a lot more than not seeing Rooney and co come to town. We're missing out on a massive financial deal that could see us become self sustaining and not over reliant on nutcase owners. That money could go towards developing youth facilities and home grown players, something which a lot of us bemoan a lack of. It could go towards buying the stadium from the council or funding an expansion, or any one of the myriad things we'd like to see.

It's all about context. If we were in the position we are now with the team we had in 2005 then fine, such a viewpoint would be totally understandable. Except we aren't so it isn't. The team is infintely better, there's a lot more money going through it and the consequences are much, much greater now.

It could've been worse, but more importantly, it should've been better and it's poor that so many people aren't willing to scrutinise because they think it makes them bad fans. If you don't question the predicament and voice your concern, how the hell can you hope for it to get better?
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Best post on here in ages… some wont/ cannot/ don't want to see the bigger picture!!!!
 
Sterling Archer said:
Again, typical City fan response. "We've been at the bottom." "In my day we were playing Bury and Halifax." Flash forward, it's 2016. Hull City aren't a little team pushing for a promotion to Division 2 anymore. We've spent money, have a quality squad and now have the expectations to match. It could be worse, it could get a whole lot worse if you look at the likes of Bolton, Bradford, Fulham, Blackburn, Wigan and Swindon. They didn't bounce straight back either.

If you enjoyed the days of popping out to see City play Plymouth in front of a crowd of 4,500 people then you're in for a shock because those days are gone. Missing out on promotion this season would mean a lot more than not seeing Rooney and co come to town. We're missing out on a massive financial deal that could see us become self sustaining and not over reliant on nutcase owners. That money could go towards developing youth facilities and home grown players, something which a lot of us bemoan a lack of. It could go towards buying the stadium from the council or funding an expansion, or any one of the myriad things we'd like to see.

It's all about context. If we were in the position we are now with the team we had in 2005 then fine, such a viewpoint would be totally understandable. Except we aren't so it isn't. The team is infintely better, there's a lot more money going through it and the consequences are much, much greater now.

It could've been worse, but more importantly, it should've been better and it's poor that so many people aren't willing to scrutinise because they think it makes them bad fans. If you don't question the predicament and voice your concern, how the hell can you hope for it to get better?
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Curious, were expectations too high to begin with? Genuinely interested to see responses.
 
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Cortez91 said:
Curious, were expectations too high to begin with? Genuinely interested to see responses.
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I don't think so, it's directly linked to expenditure and team value. We've spent a lot of a money so obviously we expect expensive players to deliver results. MK Dons, who have spent barely anything and have just come up from League 1, were expected to be in a relegation battle and they are. We've just come down from the Premier League, have (apparently) a very good manager, have kept many quality players and brought in a few as well. Where should our expectations lie?
 
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Cortez91 said:
Curious, were expectations too high to begin with? Genuinely interested to see responses.
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i expect expectations matched the squad, club and circumstances
ie whilst trying to avoid relegation in division 4 we had a div 4 team that had to sell its best players to survive
then Adam Pearson rocked up, spent some money and bought a better player so expectations grew, we are now playing ****e and have been for a while with an expensively assembled squad so them expectations are still high. (in fact they arent high just relevant to the squad status)
If we were in the pl the expectaions would drop as we wouldnt have one of the best squads
 
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I think the expectations increased at the end of the Summer transfer window. Add to that Livermore and Snodgrass coming back it was like having two expensive replacements. Then, when you see the development of Maguire (well we all saw it the manager has yet to see it) you had to look and think we had the makings of something excellent. Unfortunately, you can have all the ingredients to make a great cake, but if you have no recipe or no chef you cant just throw it in a bowl and expect it to turn out right.
 
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Chazz Rheinhold said:
Reputations count for nothing as is being proved. It's pointless going on about players price tag or value. Nothing counts but what they put in on the pitch.
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This - 100%. People keep going on about our players now being amazing but there's zero ****ing evidence of it. It doesn't matter how good their name is if they don't play well.
 
Nobody wants a return to the dark days,however,to suggest we should all grateful of what we have or that what Bruce has achieved is as high as we can go is just plain bonkers. Living in the past and quoting facts and figures about how we have underachieved reeks of small club mentality.
 
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Worse things happen at sea. In fact they are happening all over the world. We lost so what ?

Still plenty of points (21) left to play for and certainly nobody who should worry us IF we play
anything like.
 
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The FRENCH TICKLER said:
Worse things happen at sea. In fact they are happening all over the world. We lost so what ?

Still plenty of points (21) left to play for and certainly nobody who should worry us IF we play
anything like.
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I thought that for a bit last night then realised like you that I am kidding myself
 
The FRENCH TICKLER said:
Worse things happen at sea. In fact they are happening all over the world. We lost so what ?

Still plenty of points (21) left to play for and certainly nobody who should worry us IF we play
anything like.
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Crazy thing is few would really want us over two legs, but everyone would fancy beating us home and away.
 
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tubbylard said:
I can agree with the above even though it's taken me until this late in the day to get over last nights disappointment, and I've still not fully come to terms with it. But......
In our 112 years history we have only been promoted twice to the top division, once automatically and once via the Play Offs. Three Wembley appearances including one Cup Final and one brief excursion into European football. Not a glittering past by any stretch of the imagination. More appearances at the High Court then appearances in Finals.
Most of that success has come under Steve Bruce. Like it or lump it, those are the facts.
Now we are getting sniffy about not winning automatic promotion to the Premier League and there is a growing under current of discontent wanting the manager sacked.
When less then a decade ago anyone suggesting that Hull City would have a serious chance of even one appearance in a Championship Play Off Final at Wembley would have be certified as insane.
I don't like the way this season appears to be panning out either but it could all have a whole lot worse.
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That's just the same old tripe Leeds fans trot out which you scorn them for.

Yes it could have been a whole lot worse but that's no reason to be content with failure. Failure is failure and, with the astronomical budget Steve Bruce has had at his disposal, this can't be classed as anything but. Let's be honest, how many squads in the second tier have ever cost £60m to put together? Newcastles possibly? And they pissed the league with 100 odd points.
 
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The best players are consistent.

Great players that aren't consistent are usually sold by the bigger clubs.

Mourinho only wanted players who did it every game, not once in a while.

We can't afford constantly good players and hence we have performances that can be great, but are often ****e

The bottom end places of leagues are as unpredictable as their teams.
 
Cortez91 said:
Or, perhaps, their expectations are unrealistic?

We're not a regular Premier League club despite what some supporters think.

It took West Brom/Crystal Palace/etc. 3-4 promotions/relegations and some yo-yoing before they stayed up for a prolonged period.

I wish some supporters were more accepting of losses - even if we shouldn't have lost. Nobody wins every game.
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It doesn't matter how long we've spent in the premier league. It doesn't matter how many times we go up and down. These things have absolutely **** all effect to the 11 players on the pitch on a match day.

And perhaps what you should have said is it took WBA/Palace 3/4 managers before they sorted their **** out.
 
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