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wear_yellow said:
If you look at the charts Yorkie, the pound has been falling against the $ and the € since late November. Cause is believed to be the uncertainity of the referendum but not the result I.e. Not what will happen if there is an exit or not. No one can say if there was an exit that the fall would continue, likewise no one can say if it fall would continue if we stayed in.
If the EU did not let us trade an a preferential rate, then the same would apply to EU goods - see what happens when the price of EU goes up in British stores.
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Just not a risk I would want to countenance.....
 
NZHorn said:
Perhaps someone can answer these questions, even if only with speculation?

The SNP is very pro EU, and the BBC says that Scotland is likely to vote in favour of remaining in the EU. If the Brexit side wins the referendum because of a majority in England whilst the rest of the UK votes for retaining membership of the EU with reasonably large majorities, will independence come back onto the agenda? Similarly, in Northern Ireland will unification with the republic become a topic of debate?

I am genuinely interested in your views. These are not loaded questions.
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I think the SNP have said as much...

But remember many BREXPERTS supported the SNP push for independance... allows the concept of a mean clean England
 
NZHorn said:
Perhaps someone can answer these questions, even if only with speculation?

The SNP is very pro EU, and the BBC says that Scotland is likely to vote in favour of remaining in the EU. If the Brexit side wins the referendum because of a majority in England whilst the rest of the UK votes for retaining membership of the EU with reasonably large majorities, will independence come back onto the agenda? Similarly, in Northern Ireland will unification with the republic become a topic of debate?

I am genuinely interested in your views. These are not loaded questions.
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Only speculation I know but it is not just Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland but also a difference of the generations - the 18-29 year old age group is also mostly in favour of remaining, and they will have to live with the result for longer In a normal election these differences could be subsequently reversed but here we must presume that the result will stand for the foreseeable future. If I were a Scot I would want to break away in that scenario - even without a referendum.
 
NZHorn said:
Perhaps someone can answer these questions, even if only with speculation?

The SNP is very pro EU, and the BBC says that Scotland is likely to vote in favour of remaining in the EU. If the Brexit side wins the referendum because of a majority in England whilst the rest of the UK votes for retaining membership of the EU with reasonably large majorities, will independence come back onto the agenda? Similarly, in Northern Ireland will unification with the republic become a topic of debate?

I am genuinely interested in your views. These are not loaded questions.
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Can't remember what the rules about the last Scottish referendum were but I think there was a minimum amount of time that needed to pass before a new referendum? I might be misremembering it though...It will definitely be discussed if it did happen though.

I doubt the reunification of Ireland will happen in our lifetimes. Too much bad blood there.
 
There was an interesting programme on Radio 4 about how to make a Brexit. In it it was stated that, "We don't have any trade negotiators in Whitehall - we haven't had any since 1973," "The British government would be hard-pressed to find people to do a trade negotiation. They might have to borrow civil servants from other European countries."
 
yorkshirehornet said:
yes IMO this is one of the causes of so much bloodshed .... in the name of God, King, Country etc

We need partnership, collaboration and co-operation to grow in the modern world
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Very true, but that makes us hand wringing liberal Guardian reading clueless lefties (which apparently are all things some posters on here are allowed to call us)

It's strange that the EU 'unelected' politicians get so much grief from some but we don't hear a peep about the House of Lords or Lizzie making decisions without us voting for them.

Xenophobic democracy...
 
oldfrenchhorn said:
There was an interesting programme on Radio 4 about how to make a Brexit. In it it was stated that, "We don't have any trade negotiators in Whitehall - we haven't had any since 1973," "The British government would be hard-pressed to find people to do a trade negotiation. They might have to borrow civil servants from other European countries."
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More fearmongering. We have the BEST lawyers in the world being the BEST country in the world and everyone will be queuing up to give us free stuff and we'll live happily ever after swimming around in gold like Scrooge McDuck <ok>

I can't wait to be doing this

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I might not even bother getting a job...
 
Toby said:
More fearmongering. We have the BEST lawyers in the world being the BEST country in the world and everyone will be queuing up to give us free stuff and we'll live happily ever after swimming around in gold like Scrooge McDuck <ok>

I can't wait to be doing this

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I might not even bother getting a job...
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Think of it ...all the other countries will be queuing up to give us money, just like the old days.... why we could even get a few colonies :emoticon-0116-evilg
 
Many people, myself included , believe that it would take many years to untangle our involvement with the EU and strike new deals. After all it took Greenland three years to just leave and they had only a tiny
involvement compared to the UK. If this did happen we could well be into another election, and what a mess that would be.
 
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yorkshirehornet said:
Think of it ...all the other countries will be queuing up to give us money, just like the old days.... why we could even get a few colonies :emoticon-0116-evilg
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They wouldn't want to put trade tariffs on anything, since they all love us so much, they'll just bring tribute to the Queen and send us their finest wines and meats for our feasts.

Or...

Nevermind <doh> More fearmongering...
 
oldfrenchhorn said:
Many people, myself included , believe that it would take many years to untangle our involvement with the EU and strike new deals. After all it took Greenland three years to just leave and they had only a tiny
involvement compared to the UK. If this did happen we could well be into another election, and what a mess that would be.
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The irony is that Brexiters like the Norway deal but don't realise they have to accept free movement of people as well for being part of the free trade agreement.

All that nonsense about 'we're one of the biggest economies in the world' doesn't really hold up as a fact when it comes to trade negotiations, we need them more than they need us...
 
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Toby said:
The irony is that Brexiters like the Norway deal but don't realise they have to accept free movement of people as well as being part of the free trade agreement.

All that nonsense about 'we're one of the biggest economies in the world' doesn't really hold up as a fact when it comes to trade negotiations, we need them more than they need us...
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And contributing money to the EU funds without having any say in how it is spent.
 
oldfrenchhorn said:
And contributing money to the EU funds.
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True...

Even if it all goes horribly wrong, the economy goes to s*** and we lose our status in the world they'll still pretend to be happy that we don't have a tiny amount of laws established as part of a larger community of countries...
 
Which laws would the exiters want to legislate to remove from British law? Several years normally to get something like that through Parliament probably, if they could. Back to the election chaos again.
 
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