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We have had bad owners

We also had exciting times fighting for promotion from division 4 and division 3

Winning promotion from any league was great

Of course, promotion is great - that goes without saying. Surely it's better to do all that without owners locking you out of the ground, or not having two pennies to rub together for transfers though? It's not about the league we are in - I'd be happy if we were top of League Two with a decent squad, decent manager left to get on with managing the team, and funds to buy players.
 
Last time we had a league crowd of over 30,000 was Boxing .Day 1966 against Huddersfield, 35,000 (the day after at Huddersfield the crowd was 32,000 to show how times change, though the Huddersfield crowd contained the largest City away following for a league game I can recall), the last 30,000 crowd we had was for the West Ham cup game in 1973, 32,000. Was at both of them. Since the Huddersfield game you can count on both hands the number of times we got over 25,000 for a league including the great season under .Terry Neill, and most of those were only just over, until we got in the PL.
What you mean even with great owners, standing at the ground and fans feeling part of the club we still couldnt get near 30.000!!! kinell Yet some think we should have built a 50 or 100.000 stadium after two seasons in the PL.
 
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Who would have funded it?

The council should have built the 35,000 stadium first envisaged. Instead they compromised because of Sport .England for the sake of £2million which they then said we weren't going to get and which we got from the FL thanks to the Sunderland chairman Bob Murray, who also gave usual advice on things to do and avoid (which is the reason AP invited Sunderland to play the opening match). Sport England put the council in an awkward position by saying if their recommendation for a 25,000 stadium was ignored that could affect future projects for Hull and East Riding. You can imagine the council not wanting to read headlines about swimming pools, kids play facilities and other things being turned down because of their actions. Sport England were miffed because Brooking had stated that 15,000 would be an appropriate size for Hull. It was pointed out to him Hull was bigger than both Sunderland and Middlesbrough which had both built 30,000+ stadiums. One Councillor reminded Brooking that he must be aware we could get crowds like that. He had played in front of one in the Cup. And lost.
Cllr Trevor Larsen wrote a good article about this and his contempt for the HDM and its coveting of the issues and negative attitude which were on a couple of forums at the time.
 
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What you mean even with great owners, standing at the ground and fans feeling part of the club we still couldnt get near 30.000!!! kinell Yet some think we should have built a 50 or 100.000 stadium after two seasons in the PL.

A point I have made in the past when blasé remarks about getting 40,000 have been expressed. And being shot down with accusations of negativity, being anti Hull City and the city of Hull and having impertinence to even offer an opinion as I live in the East Riding.
 
A point I have made in the past when blasé remarks about getting 40,000 have been expressed. And being shot down with accusations of negativity, being anti Hull City and the city of Hull and having impertinence to even offer an opinion as I live in the East Riding.
I live in Hull though so i can get away with it :emoticon-0140-rofl:
 
I remember the discussions on boards when the KC was being built. Many thought that, with our catchment area, the stadium should have had a capacity of 40K - citing our crowds in the 50's as being evidence of potential. What a joke. As has been pointed out, our average crowd figure fell during our second season in the top division under Phil Brown, (hallowed be thy name). You can build it, but they're not coming.
 
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I remember the discussions on boards when the KC was being built. Many thought that, with our catchment area, the stadium should have had a capacity of 40K - citing our crowds in the 50's as being evidence of potential. What a joke. As has been pointed out, our average crowd figure fell during our second season in the top division under Phil Brown, (hallowed be thy name). You can build it, but they're not coming.

I suspect that was because, in our second Premier League season, we were ****ing dire.
 
Er....when have we ever played in front of crowds of 30,000, well, since the 60s anyway? We had good crowds in the first year in the prem when it was all new, a d a few fair weathers were attracted, but sadly I genuinely believe about 20,000 is what we can realistically achieve regularly, thanks to the apathy of many Hull folk. I would be very surprised if post Allams we started even filling our 25,000 stadium.
We rarely filled it second season under Browny. The fascination had already worn off for a lot.
I remember the discussions on boards when the KC was being built. Many thought that, with our catchment area, the stadium should have had a capacity of 40K - citing our crowds in the 50's as being evidence of potential. What a joke. As has been pointed out, our average crowd figure fell during our second season in the top division under Phil Brown, (hallowed be thy name). You can build it, but they're not coming.

I hate this attitude.

If we actually made an effort to be a big club and attract big crowds we could do it. This is a big City not some backwater, and we must have one of the biggest undisputed catchment areas for fans in the football league. There are much smaller cities and towns than Hull, on the doorstep of other FL clubs who get much bigger crowds than us. It's a lack of ambition.
 
I hate this attitude.

If we actually made an effort to be a big club and attract big crowds we could do it. This is a big City not some backwater, and we must have one of the biggest undisputed catchment areas for fans in the football league. There are much smaller cities and towns than Hull, on the doorstep of other FL clubs who get much bigger crowds than us. It's a lack of ambition.
Its not an attitude but the reality.
Swansea have been on the up for years. They've been in the PL for 5/6 years now. They still havent bought or extended the stadium they are in. When they do its only going to be 26.000 from 20.000 at first.
To think we should go and extend to 40.000 or even 30.000 on the "I think we could easily" is ridiculous.
We will/would need to be in the PL for at least 3 or 4 years to even think about it. Thats without all the stuff about the council being unwilling to sell.
 
I hate this attitude.

If we actually made an effort to be a big club and attract big crowds we could do it. This is a big City not some backwater, and we must have one of the biggest undisputed catchment areas for fans in the football league. There are much smaller cities and towns than Hull, on the doorstep of other FL clubs who get much bigger crowds than us. It's a lack of ambition.
It's quite a simple equation as to how we could fill a stadium, of 40,000 or more, play attractive entertaining football and charge the supporters an acceptable and reasonable charge for entry, whether both will ever happen together is, unfortunately, highly unlikely.
 
No, it was Southend. Edwards scored.

Can't fathom why any City fan would ever go and watch Hull or Rovers ,even if they were playing at Wembley, if City were playing.

Makes no sense.

I was 8 when City played Southend/ Hull played Rovers at Wembley so was probably playing with me eagle eyed Action Man.

He was a paratrooper mind so watch what you say.

Hard as bastard nails he was.
 
I suspect that was because, in our second Premier League season, we were ****ing dire.
We were dire in the second half of our first season, too.
I hate this attitude.

If we actually made an effort to be a big club and attract big crowds we could do it. This is a big City not some backwater, and we must have one of the biggest undisputed catchment areas for fans in the football league. There are much smaller cities and towns than Hull, on the doorstep of other FL clubs who get much bigger crowds than us. It's a lack of ambition.
Sorry, but Hull is a backwater. It is as relevant as Northampton, which has the same population, or Wolverhampton, or Plymouth.
 
Can't fathom why any City fan would ever go and watch Hull or Rovers ,even if they were playing at Wembley, if City were playing.

Makes no sense.

I was 8 when City played Southend/ Hull played Rovers at Wembley so was probably playing with me eagle eyed Action Man.

He was a paratrooper mind so watch what you say.

Hard as bastard nails he was.

I can think of one poster on another forum who makes a big thing of what a supporter he is and who lectures others on how they should support the club who went to Wembley that day.