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[Mind The Duck]

Look stupid.




Do you get it now or do you want to continue down the failure path?

You just proved my point

Thanks

 

[RobSpur]

RT is a totally unreliable source of information Rob, it's a modern day Pravda ffs, I thought everyone knew that. Nothing it says can be trusted.

An American anchor for the Kremlin-funded news channel RT has quit on air and accused the network of "whitewashing" Moscow's military intervention in Crimea. Liz Wahl, a Washington-based correspondent for RT-America, part of the network formerly known as Russia Today, told viewers on Wednesday she was resigning because of its coverage of President Vladimir Putin's actions in the Ukrainian region. Veerng off script, Wahl said: "I cannot be part of a network funded by the Russian government that whitewashes the actions of Putin. I'm proud to be an American and believe in disseminating the truth, and that is why, after this newscast, I'm resigning."

So this is someone who reads out news off an autocue ?

And she knew the "truth" because ???

Maybe they'd accidentally given her the secret truth codes ??

Maybe she saw RT's map of Kalingrad in the Balkans and thought 'that's a goddam lie. Theyve fixed the maps" ?

 

[DevAdvocate]

You hadnt read it either though tbf, because you apparently hadnt spotted that many of the incidents referred to involved western european planes in or around russian airspace.

I had read it but you don't seem to understand what "Russian Airspace" means nor who the "Baltic States" are.

Here are the locations in the 1st 20 or so incidents on that list:

South of Malmo, Kaliningrad, Finmark, Stockholm, Latvia, in/near Lithuanian airspace, Estonian and later Lithuanian airspace, Guam, Swedish airspace, the North Sea, the west coast of Scotland, neutral airspace over the Baltic, inside Canadian IDIZ, international airspace near Kaliningrad, near Finmark, the western Scottish coast and the English Channel.

Russian Airspace indeed.

 

[Archers Road]

If I had to choose I'd rather live in Russia. Government's more autocratic and the state-sponsored homophobia's appalling but at least the Russians have a rich culture. Burger King and baseball is the closest thing Americans have to a 'culture'.

Yep, Russia seems more interesting to me as a History student. Ideally, I'd rather live in Denmark, Norway or Iceland.

What utter bollocks. Which country invented jazz, blues, soul, rock n roll & country?

I could also name 20 of the 20th century's most influential writers and artists off the top of my head if I had time; but let's just leave it at F Scott Fitzgerald, Hemingway, Jackson Pollock and Andy Warhol.

Yanks have no culture? I can only assume you've never read a book or listened to a record. Or seen a movie.

 

[DevAdvocate]

So this is someone who reads out news off an autocue ?

And she knew the "truth" because ???

Maybe they'd accidentally given her the secret truth codes ??

Maybe she saw RT's map of Kalingrad in the Balkans and thought 'that's a goddam lie. Theyve fixed the maps" ?

Why do you trust a Russian State Sponsored news organisation?

On what basis do you take their word over that of Western news agencies?

Serious question.

 

[RobSpur]

I had read it but you don't seem to understand what "Russian Airspace" means nor who the "Baltic States" are.

Here are the locations in the 1st 20 or so incidents on that list:

South of Malmo, Kaliningrad, Finmark, Stockholm, Latvia, in/near Lithuanian airspace, Estonian and later Lithuanian airspace, Guam, Swedish airspace, the North Sea, the west coast of Scotland, neutral airspace over the Baltic, inside Canadian IDIZ, international airspace near Kaliningrad, near Finmark, the western Scottish coast and the English Channel.

Russian Airspace indeed.

Kaliningrad (which borders Lithuania) is part of Russia

 

[Mick O'Toon]

I had read it but you don't seem to understand what "Russian Airspace" means nor who the "Baltic States" are.

Here are the locations in the 1st 20 or so incidents on that list:

South of Malmo, Kaliningrad, Finmark, Stockholm, Latvia, in/near Lithuanian airspace, Estonian and later Lithuanian airspace, Guam, Swedish airspace, the North Sea, the west coast of Scotland, neutral airspace over the Baltic, inside Canadian IDIZ, international airspace near Kaliningrad, near Finmark, the western Scottish coast and the English Channel.

Russian Airspace indeed.

Don't forget Ireland,2 incidents recently causing avoidance and major loosening of the bowels
http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/passenger-planes-dodged-russian-bombers-315623.html

 

[RobSpur]

Why do you trust a Russian State Sponsored news organisation?

On what basis do you take their word over that of Western news agencies?

Serious question.

On this point they don't seem to conflict in terms of facts. Both point out that there have been numerous incidents of russian and european planes being in the same airspace, and both appear to point out that most of the incidents occuree in or next to russian airspace. It's just that your source (or your presentation of it) suggests that this is russia's fault, whereas RT points out that it isnt.

More generally though, the west's narrative makes no sense, and is patantly bullshit, as I explained at length a couple of days ago.

Don't forget Ireland,2 incidents recently causing avoidance and major loosening of the bowels
http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/passenger-planes-dodged-russian-bombers-315623.html

That's probably what's really behind all these wars. They're all fighting over who gets Ireland.

 

[DevAdvocate]

On this point they don't seem to conflict in terms of facts. Both point out that there have been numerous incidents of russian and european planes being in the same airspace, and both appear to point out that most of the incidents occuree in or next to russian airspace. It's just that your source (or your presentation of it) suggests that this is russia's fault, whereas RT points out that it isnt.

More generally though, the west's narrative makes no sense, and is patantly bullshit, as I explained at length a couple of days ago.

Patently bullshit because RT told you.

 

[DevAdvocate]

Don't forget Ireland,2 incidents recently causing avoidance and major loosening of the bowels
http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/passenger-planes-dodged-russian-bombers-315623.html

Russian Airspace Mick

 

[Spook]

What utter bollocks. Which country invented jazz, blues, soul, rock n roll & country?

I could also name 20 of the 20th century's most influential writers and artists off the top of my head if I had time; but let's just leave it at F Scott Fitzgerald, Hemingway, Jackson Pollock and Andy Warhol.

Yanks have no culture? I can only assume you've never read a book or listened to a record. Or seen a movie.

My apologies, Native American culture is very rich and interesting. Everything else you mentioned, including jazz, was taken or inspired by European or African culture. With the exception of Native American culture, American culture has no originality. The entire country is based on the bastardisation of other cultures and consumerism.

 

[DevAdvocate]

My apologies, Native American culture is very rich and interesting. Everything else you mentioned, including jazz, was taken or inspired by European or African culture. With the exception of Native American culture, American culture has no originality. The entire country is based on the bastardisation of other cultures and consumerism.

So it's not their culture because they only incorporated it into their own, like Britain did with Tea?

 

[Spook]

So it's not their culture because they only incorporated it into their own, like Britain did with Tea?

Yeah, we're just as guilty of it. In my opinion, British culture was born out of British imperialism. The English, Scots, Welsh and Irish have their own culture dating back back over thousands of years. All the things Archer mentioned are inspired by Europe or Africa, rather than Native American culture, suggesting modern American culture has no originality.

 

[Patience]

Roastings a'where today lads

 

[DevAdvocate]

Yeah, we're just as guilty of it. In my opinion, British culture was born out of British imperialism. The English, Scots, Welsh and Irish have their own culture dating back back over thousands of years. All the things Archer mentioned are inspired by Europe or Africa, rather than Native American culture, suggesting modern American culture has no originality.

British culture was born out of British Imperialism? So we have no culture which predates Empire? I'm afraid that's utter hogwash.

 

[Ciaran]

So it's not their culture because they only incorporated it into their own, like Britain did with Tea?

Tea is consumed more per head in Ireland than in Britain.

Are you saying tea is part of British culture

It's a drink.

 

[Spook]

British culture was born out of British Imperialism? So we have no culture which predates Empire? I'm afraid that's utter hogwash.

Did you even read my post? I said the English, Scots, Welsh and Irish have their own cultures dating back thousands of years. Britishness before the Empire was political, not cultural. Unless you're referring to the ancient Britons who were Celtic but they'd represent Welsh culture primarily.

 

[DevAdvocate]

Tea is consumed more per head in Ireland than in Britain.

Are you saying tea is part of British culture

It's a drink.

Are you proposing that a drink cannot have a Cultural impact?

 

[DevAdvocate]

Did you even read my post? I said the English, Scots, Welsh and Irish have their own cultures dating back thousands of years. Britishness before the Empire was political, not cultural. Unless you're referring to the ancient Britons who were Celtic but they'd represent Welsh culture primarily.

Are Shakespeare, Dickens, Burns, Wordsworth et al not examples of British culture, or are you saying they are Political?

 

[Ciaran]

Are you proposing that a drink cannot have a Cultural impact?

It depends what your definition of culture is.

What cultural impact does tea have on Britain and Ireland?