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The only thing I would say is that it could be a child next. These are two large dogs with a pack mentality with a previous history of escaping, so I would suggest the owner is not a fit person to have control of these dogs. I'm not a person who thinks all dogs should be put down who attack as there are different circumstances, but this situation seems volatile. However, you are better fixed to judge that.
 
Tommomo said:
Aye, I'm deprived of sleep as it is and left with the moral quandary as to the fate of two mastiffs.

Quick summary of facts: The owner of the offending dogs has called to apologize and offer to pay for bills, he leases/rents part of his property to someone else for a bit of extra income...the sub-letter was the one who was negligent apparently and didn't shut the gate properly and allowed for the mastiffs to escape to attack mine.

On one hand the owner seems to genuinely care as he's willing to cover any costs and is honestly sorry, and the mistake was made by a sub-letter.

On the other the dogs have escaped they yard before and were caught by the local council..which carries cautions and security upgrades, which were apparently not properly implemented by the owner.

I'm watching my dog limp about and struggle to move atm and am genuinely at a loss...the angry side of me wants to see the mastiffs destroyed and the owner punished (which by australian law is upto 18 months in jail for an attack of this nature)and he's been warned to stop the dogs escape in the past..on the other hand my own dog has been the aggressor before and is still alive due to the forgiveness of of my former neighbor who forgave him for a similar attack a few years ago...

So, i'm left in a pickle..any thoughts?
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You could of course suggest to your neighbour that he not only covers your costs, but he also puts in the security upgrades that he was meant to as ordered by the council.
 
Tommomo said:
Aye, I'm deprived of sleep as it is and left with the moral quandary as to the fate of two mastiffs.

Quick summary of facts: The owner of the offending dogs has called to apologize and offer to pay for bills, he leases/rents part of his property to someone else for a bit of extra income...the sub-letter was the one who was negligent apparently and didn't shut the gate properly and allowed for the mastiffs to escape to attack mine.

On one hand the owner seems to genuinely care as he's willing to cover any costs and is honestly sorry, and the mistake was made by a sub-letter.

On the other the dogs have escaped they yard before and were caught by the local council..which carries cautions and security upgrades, which were apparently not properly implemented by the owner.

I'm watching my dog limp about and struggle to move atm and am genuinely at a loss...the angry side of me wants to see the mastiffs destroyed and the owner punished (which by Australian law is upto 18 months in jail for an attack of this nature) and he's been warned to stop the dogs escape in the past..on the other hand my own dog has been the aggressor before and is still alive due to the forgiveness of of my former neighbour who forgave him for a similar attack a few years ago...

So, I'm left in a pickle..any thoughts?
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To my mind, there's a couple of ways you can look at it. You can take a strict principled stand or you can treat someone as you would be treated. Perhaps the owner really should be punished and the mastiffs destroyed, and maybe that is the best course of action, but ask yourself if you would like to be treated in that way if you'd made an honest mistake.

It appears that the chap is genuinely sorry. You can tell the difference. Why not share with him the dilemma you have if it helps.? Tell him that you're finding it difficult to resolve the thought that they might get out again and attack, possibly a child or someone who can't defend themself. Maybe he'll take better heed of the security upgrades that should have been implemented properly. Depending on his reaction to your dilemma you'll have a better idea of what to decide.
 
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JWP's Goal Celebration said:
Hate the Brummie accent, always sound miserable as sin. Then again I probably would be miserable if I had to live in Birmingham. Always liked the Welsh accent on Women, just does something for me I can't even explain <laugh>
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Tell me about it...I married one!

As for Welsh men, the accent can either sound very macho (Windsor Davies) or incredibly effeminate. It depends how deep the voice is.
 
It's very late and I'm obviously rather tired because I've started my usual practice of noticing odd things. While watching the Chief Exec of Tesla Cars explaining the attributes of their new autopilot hardware and software, I noticed that after he'd finished explaining every point he reaffirmed his message with a few nods of the head. Now I've seen quite a few Americans do this over the years, but the first time I noticed it was on The Muppet Show when Kermit the Frog used to nod in the same way after every announcement. The Chief-Exec reminded me of all this. Which leads me to conclude that I've found an US English gesture that doesn't happen on this side of the pond, or anywhere else for that matter, and that it's time I went up that wooden hill [to employ a well used UK English saying] before I start noticing anything else odd.

And NO, don't say it's because all Americans are Muppets. :)
 
TheSecondStain said:
It's very late and I'm obviously rather tired because I've started my usual practice of noticing odd things. While watching the Chief Exec of Tesla Cars explaining the attributes of their new autopilot hardware and software, I noticed that after he'd finished explaining every point he reaffirmed his message with a few nods of the head. Now I've seen quite a few Americans do this over the years, but the first time I noticed it was on The Muppet Show when Kermit the Frog used to nod in the same way after every announcement. The Chief-Exec reminded me of all this. Which leads me to conclude that I've found an US English gesture that doesn't happen on this side of the pond, or anywhere else for that matter, and that it's time I went up that wooden hill [to employ a well used UK English saying] before I start noticing anything else odd.

And NO, don't say it's because all Americans are Muppets. :)
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You know what Americanism I would like to start using? The word "trash". I'm just so tired of having to use a different word for 'rubbish', and the receptacle into which it is tossed.
 
ChilcoSaint said:
I'm really sorry for your loss Tom. Was it completely unexpected?
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He lived in France and didn't see him that often so not entirely sure. He was one of my oldest uncles (68) but apparently he just woke up feeling funny and a short while later collapsed and never regained consciousness.
 
tomw24 said:
I've just found out my uncle's suddenly died. :(
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Really sorry to hear this, Tom. Condolences to you and the family. As a friend of mine always says "If you love someone, hug them right now, you never know when you won't be able to do it again ........."
 
Andy Murray beat Berdych 6-1 6-3 to go into the semi-final of the Shanghai Open. Murray is really back to top form now...Djokovic in next round. Never make a poker player though...on set point, Berdych misses his first serve and a very evil smile crossed Andy's face....sure enough, second serve put away as he predicted accurately where it was going. :)
 
tomw24 said:
He lived in France and didn't see him that often so not entirely sure. He was one of my oldest uncles (68) but apparently he just woke up feeling funny and a short while later collapsed and never regained consciousness.
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Just read back to see this news and I am sorry, it must have been a shock. A sudden death is awful for those left behind, but your consolation should be that it sounds like he didn't suffer.
 
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