Negotiable and the player got his way. Then we didn't play him enough last season even though Green was frequently poor. He was and probably will be a very good Keeper who we barely had the sense to use, and lost him as a result. Really hope Smithies will be OK. He did show he could kick it into the other box which Green can not, and made a couple of decent saves in his short time on the park.
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Negotiable and the player got his way. Then we didn't play him enough last season even though Green was frequently poor. He was and probably will be a very good Keeper who we barely had the sense to use, and lost him as a result. Really hope Smithies will be OK. He did show he could kick it into the other box which Green can not, and made a couple of decent saves in his short time on the park.
Coco the green should have done better, Neds pass should have been better, the first half display should have been better, the whole team should have been better, the mild support at the ground should have been better, our stadium should be better, our kit should be better, the world should be better, who's going to the Blackburn game
Green is a good shot stopper and gains a lot of credit for saves close to him, but cannot shift his feet quickly enough and lets too many long distance shots in (v Charlton) when he just dives instead of shifting his feet then diving. I know he had a buyout clause but we've lost a good keeper in McCarthy.
It was clear from Green's interview on Sky before the match that a transfer - presumably to WHU - was on, but was vetoed by the club on the last day of the window. Green seemed disappointed but resigned to the fact he was still at LR. But these things play with your head, and I think this contributed to his sloppy play. Hopefully, he'll be focused now having probably cost us 3 points when we were 1-0 up and attacking...
Well it wasn't. They still had to pick the ball up out wide however far from the goal, beat the full-back, play a one-two, cross to an unmarked player and score. It's not like he kicked the ball directly to Fabregas with an open goal.
Maybe being a goalkeeper just isn't as easy as people think. Of the goals we've scored this season, two at Wolves looked avoidable by the goalkeeper, one at home to Rotherham definitely was and you'd expect De Vries to have kept out Austin's shot yesterday which suggests they all make big mistakes.
Agree he should have done better but would we call it a clanger? lets compare the two from yesterday. Do we think McCarthy's was as bad as Greens?
As with all other players you compare them to others in their position. And Keepers that consistently make howlers are not good Keepers. Yes he makes up for some of it with some good saves but that's not good enough. Proper Goalkeepers aren't that fukking dodgy mate. He always was an accident waiting to happen.
(You're right about that Forest keeper. Dreadful effort)
In the past I have always erred on the side of not criticising RG too much because his shot stopping is so good but yesterday's clanger has pushed me over the edge. His ground play is so poor as to be laughable for a park player let alone a former England keeper. It is arguable that his mistakes were a key factor in our relegation last year and it would be madness if he was allowed to screw up this season's campaign. You could see how his actions demotivated other players yesterday. Smithies has his chance and Ramsey should not invite RG back into the starting XI unless absolutely necessary.
I think the club made a mistake in not making McCaathry
It was hardly an auspicious start from Smithies. He looked hesitant to come for the ball on a couple of occasions and I thought he should have saved the second goal. Having said that, is he does ok in Green's absence, he should keep his place.
It was hardly an auspicious start from Smithies. He looked hesitant to come for the ball on a couple of occasions and I thought he should have saved the second goal. Having said that, is he does ok in Green's absence, he should keep his place.
Just to throw something into the mix...........
Before the backpass rule was changed in the early 90's (?) a goalkeeper was basically a shot stopper, claimed any ball that came into the 6 yard box and kicked the ball from hand as far as he could. Nowadays they have to be all round good footballers and some are better than others. Last night i watched MOTD for the first time this season and Mingalet (spelling), De Gea and a few others all had trouble controlling the ball from back passes and struggled to get the ball out of the area. The Saints keeper dropped a routine cross and managed to drop on the ball before it crossed the line. McCarthy at Palace pushed the ball straight to the Man City lad to score instead of holding onto the ball he parried it. The point is all keepers drop clangers and because it leads to a goal or penalty or panic they are castigated for it, whereas if a striker, Austin for instance, clatters a shot against the woodwork instead of scoring (Spurs last season springs to mind) he is unlucky........
Also having played in goal myself donkeys years ago, I think that the gloves the keepers wear today are part of the problem as they look so thick that they can not possibly feel the ball which may explain why so many shots are parried these days when previously the keeper would have held onto the shot.....don't know if that has any bearing on anything but its a theory i have.......
Anyway Ned maybe should have put the ball in Row Z.......
Before the backpass rule was changed in the early 90's (?) a goalkeeper was basically a shot stopper, claimed any ball that came into the 6 yard box and kicked the ball from hand as far as he could. Nowadays they have to be all round good footballers and some are better than others. Last night i watched MOTD for the first time this season and Mingalet (spelling), De Gea and a few others all had trouble controlling the ball from back passes and struggled to get the ball out of the area. The Saints keeper dropped a routine cross and managed to drop on the ball before it crossed the line. McCarthy at Palace pushed the ball straight to the Man City lad to score instead of holding onto the ball he parried it. The point is all keepers drop clangers and because it leads to a goal or penalty or panic they are castigated for it, whereas if a striker, Austin for instance, clatters a shot against the woodwork instead of scoring (Spurs last season springs to mind) he is unlucky........
Also having played in goal myself donkeys years ago, I think that the gloves the keepers wear today are part of the problem as they look so thick that they can not possibly feel the ball which may explain why so many shots are parried these days when previously the keeper would have held onto the shot.....don't know if that has any bearing on anything but its a theory i have.......
Anyway Ned maybe should have put the ball in Row Z.......
Sorry Tramore but i cannot see the connection with Charlie being unlucky by hitting the post and Rob Green stupidly pulling a player over and costing a game? Two completely different things.
If we follow your theory, then Joey was also unlucky for punching that guy in the nuts at Hull and getting set off.
I think you will find a difference between all.
His earlier play in that match was very solid, he made a good stop from a firmly struck shot, but the three defenders nearby should have been wise to a possibly having to clear a rebound, as was the case.
But with Green it's not just an occasional mistake. My daughter and I have bets on how long into the game it will be before that 'Rob Green moment' because you can pretty much guarantee he will make several crucial errors with his ground play every game. The man simply cannot kick the ball with any consistency or accuracy which is ludicrous for a professional footballer. And don't get me started on his lack of height and the added danger that poses at set pieces...
No,no, no it's when you're sat in Row Z and the ball hits your head that's ZAMORA!!
ah well as long as CR sees something in him, and he's the manager, that's all that matters. He hasn't had a bad career for someone you deem lacks height. Everyone is an expert.
The error against Chelsea was much worse than yesterday's. All he had to do was kick the ball from his own hands and get it into the opponents half. We were playing the champions and every player had given their all and was flat out... And right at the death he puts backspin on his kick and sets up a Chelsea attack in our half...none of our players could have reasonably expected to be put under the cosh from our own keeper! Any way it is all history now, but what I do know is that a fragile keeper can undermine a defence and from what I have seen I do not think that this defence is up to much anyhow..mmmm I think opponents will cotton on to this and will be happy to soak it up at LR knowing that they will get the opportunity to score. Unless we give smithies a run, we will never know if he is up to it or not
"Chelsea was hardly a big clanger".[/QUOTE]
I'm going to have to disagree with you on that one. It was unforgiveable... and I say that as someone who had him on my shortlist for POTY last season. Sure, the defence should have been more alert and could then have rescued the situation but it was pantomime football from a professional goalkeeper.
Yesterday, at the match, I originally apportioned the blame more against Onuoha, say two thirds/one third, feeling both that he should have put it in row Z and he gave Green a very awkward ball to deal with.
Having seen the replay, I reverse that and reckon Green should bear easily the majority of the blame. He made a complete mess of it and made the back pass look worse than it was.
Yesterday was an object lesson in how to gift 3 points to the opposition: very frustrating.
I'm going to have to disagree with you on that one. It was unforgiveable... and I say that as someone who had him on my shortlist for POTY last season. Sure, the defence should have been more alert and could then have rescued the situation but it was pantomime football from a professional goalkeeper.
Yesterday, at the match, I originally apportioned the blame more against Onuoha, say two thirds/one third, feeling both that he should have put it in row Z and he gave Green a very awkward ball to deal with.
Having seen the replay, I reverse that and reckon Green should bear easily the majority of the blame. He made a complete mess of it and made the back pass look worse than it was.
Yesterday was an object lesson in how to gift 3 points to the opposition: very frustrating.