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BLUE_MOUNTAINS_BEAR said:
Their historical football kit shows a black and white striped outfit for the season 1904-5, described as a 'Change Kit'.
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One point. Cameras filming an event, a rare thing in those days, are likely to have been there to record an historic event like Hull City's first game against the founder members of the league. Less likely to decide to turn up for a later friendly against a team from Derby who for some odd reason changed from a plain shirt to a striped one to play against another team in stripes.
 
Castro's Coffin said:
One point. Cameras filming an event, a rare thing in those days, are likely to have been there to record an historic event like Hull City's first game against the founder members of the league. Less likely to decide to turn up for a later friendly against a team from Derby who for some odd reason changed from a plain shirt to a striped one to play against another team in stripes.
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If you google" edwardian sports bfi player" and scroll through the events covered you will see some very random events going back to 1900. Think they just loved the novelty of filming events.
Unfortunately for me these short film clips are blocked from view in Aus as I would love to view some of them.
 
Castro's Coffin said:
One point. Cameras filming an event, a rare thing in those days, are likely to have been there to record an historic event like Hull City's first game against the founder members of the league. Less likely to decide to turn up for a later friendly against a team from Derby who for some odd reason changed from a plain shirt to a striped one to play against another team in stripes.
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I'm not sure that will be the case at all, if it's a Mitchell & Kenyon film.

It was likely about making money for some showman that commissioned it. Occasions wouldn't matter.
 
Hull said:
I'm not sure that will be the case at all, if it's a Mitchell & Kenyon film.

It was likely about making money for some showman that commissioned it. Occasions wouldn't matter.
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It was a Mitchell and Kenyon film. I saw some of their stuff on BBC2 a few years ago, including a clip of people strolling in West Park. While browsing on the BFI website, I came across the City clip.

Hull, Hell and Happiness is correct. M&K showed compilations of their work locally. This is why there are so many crowd scenes in the City clip - to induce the punters to pay to see themselves on screen.
 
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BLUE_MOUNTAINS_BEAR said:
I attended that first match at Boothferry Park and had the programme for years. While I don't claim to remember what was in the programme I know that there was controversy and challenges about the colour and design of the shirt until very close to that opening game. Hence a depiction in the programme of a different kit to what was actually worn is totally feasible.

Until disproved I maintain that City played that first match against Notts County in White shirts, the 1904 programme was correct in regard to their kit and the match in the clip was from 1905.
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excuse me, there is no way you are 110+ years old, you cannot have attended the first match at BP
 
Castro's Coffin said:
But would they have changed it to stripes when playing against a team playing in black andcamber stripes.

BTW, a quiz question. Without googling, what did Notts County, the team in question and Preston, who we played yesterday, have a dispensation for which no one else had (though they don't take advantage of it?).
Another one, what do Blackburn Rovers have permission to do that other clubs haven't. Though in the recent PL days a couple of clubs have ignored this.
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was it connected to mining and not playing on certain days?
 
Anyway, getting back to who our opponents could be in the film clip.

I believe we played Sheff United that season. So that's another possibility.
 
Hull said:
Anyway, getting back to who our opponents could be in the film clip.

I believe we played Sheff United that season. So that's another possibility.
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If they played in black and white stripes for some reason. Eventually the cameras from those days would have red and white stripes a different shade to black and white ones.
 
Hull said:
Anyway, getting back to who our opponents could be in the film clip.

I believe we played Sheff United that season. So that's another possibility.
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It's a good call. In the BBC programmes I referred to earlier, they showed a clip of Sheffield United featuring the legendary goalkeeper 'Fatty' Foulke. This clip is on the BFI site (http://player.bfi.org.uk/film/watch-sheffield-united-v-bury-1902-1902/). The goalkeeper in the City clip is definitely not Fatty Foulke.

Fatty Foulke signed for Chelsea from Sheff U in May 1905 (according to http://spartacus-educational.com/SHEFFUfoulke.htm).
So, if the City clip is the 1904-05 season, we would expect to see Fatty Foulke in goal.

If you have never heard of Fatty Foulke, he is worth reading up on. 6' 4", weighing at one point 24 stone, he is believed to be the butt of the question 'Who ate all the pies?' He reputedly once said about the fans: "I don't mind what they call me as long as they don't call me late for my lunch." And in November, 1904, when Bury beat Sheff U 7-1, a newspaper report stated: "Foulke's weakness is his inability to capture low shots. He got low ones on Saturday."

Best of all, Wikipedia reports that: "At the end of the first match in the 1902 Cup Final Foulke protested to the officials that Southampton's equalising goal should not have been allowed. Foulke left his dressing room unclothed and pursued the referee, Tom Kirkham, who took refuge in a broom cupboard. Foulke had to be stopped by a group of F.A. officials from wrenching the cupboard door from its hinges to reach the hapless referee."

Anyway, it is not Fatty Foulke in the City clip. Therefore, it is unlikely to be Sheffield United.
 
Castro's Coffin said:
If they played in black and white stripes for some reason. Eventually the cameras from those days would have red and white stripes a different shade to black and white ones.
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From some angles the dark stripe looks a shade lighter than the socks and shorts to my eye. If you watch other films on there of sheff United and Sunderland, the colours show up similar.
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Hulot said:
It's a good call. In the BBC programmes I referred to earlier, they showed a clip of Sheffield United featuring the legendary goalkeeper 'Fatty' Foulke. This clip is on the BFI site (http://player.bfi.org.uk/film/watch-sheffield-united-v-bury-1902-1902/). The goalkeeper in the City clip is definitely not Fatty Foulke.

Fatty Foulke signed for Chelsea from Sheff U in May 1905 (according to http://spartacus-educational.com/SHEFFUfoulke.htm).
So, if the City clip is the 1904-05 season, we would expect to see Fatty Foulke in goal.

If you have never heard of Fatty Foulke, he is worth reading up on. 6' 4", weighing at one point 24 stone, he is believed to be the butt of the question 'Who ate all the pies?' He reputedly once said about the fans: "I don't mind what they call me as long as they don't call me late for my lunch." And in November, 1904, when Bury beat Sheff U 7-1, a newspaper report stated: "Foulke's weakness is his inability to capture low shots. He got low ones on Saturday."

Best of all, Wikipedia reports that: "At the end of the first match in the 1902 Cup Final Foulke protested to the officials that Southampton's equalising goal should not have been allowed. Foulke left his dressing room unclothed and pursued the referee, Tom Kirkham, who took refuge in a broom cupboard. Foulke had to be stopped by a group of F.A. officials from wrenching the cupboard door from its hinges to reach the hapless referee."

Anyway, it is not Fatty Foulke in the City clip. Therefore, it is unlikely to be Sheffield United.
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I thought that myself. Just going off fatties wiki page, he wasn't a regular come the 04/05 season. So I'd still say it's possible, though I don't think it is.
 
Looking at the BFI footage from 1904/5 I was surprised to see the keeper wearing gloves and was impressed with his punching away of the football.

I always assumed the ball was much heavier then it's contemporary equivalent, maybe that's a myth ?
 
Chilton's Hundreds said:
Looking at the BFI footage from 1904/5 I was surprised to see the keeper wearing gloves and was impressed with his punching away of the football.

I always assumed the ball was much heavier then it's contemporary equivalent, maybe that's a myth ?
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I'm sure they were and one of the old guard will probably confirm it, but I think that was more when the balls got wet.

Surely no ball has ever been as solid as an over pumped mitre delta.
 
Chilton's Hundreds said:
Looking at the BFI footage from 1904/5 I was surprised to see the keeper wearing gloves and was impressed with his punching away of the football.

I always assumed the ball was much heavier then it's contemporary equivalent, maybe that's a myth ?
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The weight of a ball hasn't really altered. At least at kick off. After playing during heavy rain is a different matter.
I remember in the early 1960s when they were still leather balls a local coach who used to soak the ball and then make players train with a boot on their non-kicking foot and a plimsole on their kicking foot. A lot soon learned to be able to use two feet.
The World Cup in Spain was the last time a ball containing any leather was used.
 
tigercity said:
excuse me, there is no way you are 110+ years old, you cannot have attended the first match at BP
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Yes he could, I was there with him and I turn 110 in 2 months time. (That's a joke Ethel).:emoticon-0136-giggl
What BMB means is the first game after the war 1946 when I was also there so TODAY I (and BMB) celebrate 69years of supporting Hull City afc.
 
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