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Jimmy Squarefoot said:
So it looks like Rodgers is doing things his way and if he fails/succeeds, it will be on his own terms.

I respect this if I'm honest. However, it certainly puts to bed the concerns I had over Rodgers's bias towards certain players i.e. committee signings.

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I do not see any bias Jimmy. Moreno played loads last season and so did Sako. Lucas played when fit but is no longer reliable due to injuries

I am sorry but that bias seems to only exist in your head. Firmino Sturridge Coutinho Can have all been signed by Rodgers by your logic or is it players you seem to want to use while criticizing Rodgers?
 
Lamborini said:
I do not see any bias Jimmy. Moreno played loads last season and so did Sako. Lucas played when fit but is no longer reliable due to injuries

I am sorry but that bias seems to only exist in your head. Firmino Sturridge Coutinho Can have all been signed by Rodgers by your logic or is it players you seem to want to use while criticizing Rodgers?
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I think the bias concern stems from how Moreno and Markovic have all been easily dropped after one year, but Lallana and Lovren are afforded far more opportunities.

Re. Sakho - I don't think it could be made any clearer on how he's simply not fancied by Rodgers and is dropped at any opportunity while Lovren is the number 1 target. He only played last year because Lovren was injured - if he was not injured, he wouldn't have been dropped. Moreno was the only fit left back last season as well.
 
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Jimmy Squarefoot said:
I think the bias concern stems from how Moreno and Markovic have all been easily dropped after one year, but Lallana and Lovren are afforded far more opportunities.

Re. Sakho - I don't think it could be made any clearer on how he's simply not fancied by Rodgers and is dropped at any opportunity while Lovren is the number 1 target. He only played last year because Lovren was injured - if he was not injured, he wouldn't have been dropped. Moreno was the only fit left back last season as well.
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Why don't we have this discussion after 20 games? It's only one match and all the players who didn't feature got a run out in a closed door friendly. It's a squad game and everyone will get their chance.
 
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Redbrynner said:
But if we can get money for Borini and possibly Balotelli then the money could be there.....Think our squad would be a force if we added Illaremendi. one of the best in the Prem. (at a whisper.)
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If we managed to get Illaremendi I think our squad would be the best we've had for a number of years. Shifting dead wood and bringing in quality is a must for us, and so far we're not doing too badly. Borini and Balotelli to go, and perhaps one of Allen and Lucas (only if we could secure Illaremendi) would turn this window into a great one.

I'm quite excited about how much potential we actually have now. If the likes of Firmino and Can get a settled position we could be a very good team indeed.
 
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saintanton said:
Particularly at the beginning of his tenure, a new manager will bring in people he's familiar with, that he feels he can work with while he gets to know the ropes himself. Allen had done well for BR before, so it's understandable that he thought he could work with him with us.
As you say, I'm sure Rodgers is perfectly capable of getting rid if he feels it necessary.
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You would surely hope so. If a manager wasn't capable of making decisions like that for the club he simply doesn't deserve to be a manager. Even a manager for pub football. A managers job is to do the best for the club - so he'll know that more than any of us surely!

I actually like Rodgers and I'm probably in the minority when I say that, yeah he's still learning but everyone is no matter how old you are. But I'm glad the owners didn't move him on and gave his the chance to go again. But yeah he's clearly on thin ice - but that's not a bad thing, it will just either prove he's got the bottle, or whether he just wasn't quite right for us.

Either way I fully expect him to have a very good managerial career.
 
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Skylarker* said:
If we managed to get Illaremendi I think our squad would be the best we've had for a number of years. Shifting dead wood and bringing in quality is a must for us, and so far we're not doing too badly. Borini and Balotelli to go, and perhaps one of Allen and Lucas (only if we could secure Illaremendi) would turn this window into a great one.

I'm quite excited about how much potential we actually have now. If the likes of Firmino and Can get a settled position we could be a very good team indeed.
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Yes it is.. its got options every where bar LB and CM based on the players we have so compared to when rodgers started

Brad Jones
Pepe Reina
Doni

Defenders
Glen Johnson
José Enrique - sick note
Daniel Agger -sick note
Fábio Aurélio -total sick note
Sebastián Coates -dross
Jamie Carragher -decrepit
Martin Kelly -sick note
Martin Škrtel
Jon Flanagan [HASHTAG]#average[/HASHTAG]
Jack Robinson - child

Midfielders
Steven Gerrard - past it.
Maxi Rodríguez - past it
Jordan Henderson 21 years old
Stewart Downing muck
Jay Spearing [HASHTAG]#journeyman[/HASHTAG]
Lucas At his best
Charlie Adam [HASHTAG]#journeyman[/HASHTAG]
Raheem Sterling Child
Jonjo Shelvey muppet

Forwards
Luis Suárez worldie... racist... biter...
Andy Carroll - sick note
Dirk Kuyt past it
Craig Bellamy past it.

....................

If you look at this rodgers was handed an average squad and his signings were indeed mixed... It was a real pity he didn't rely on reina and agger more but he really only had a few guys up to the job didn't he? a lot of guys who were getting on and not up to it or sick notes

We've now seens 3 years of buying build the current squad... what you would have to say is there's just a few guys hanging on but everyone else is young enough and fit enough (barring sturridge) to call it a much better quad of players.

Until we see firmino explode on the scene we don't know but it lacks the worldie to lead it.... and thats hard to get.

Mingolet is a decent keeper, but not amazing.
Bogdan is as average as jones but there you go

Clyne is an improvement
Gomez is the best young defneder i've seen since rob jones
Wisdom is a unit and on loan better than kelly?
Sketl still there
Lovern in I defend him as i think he plays o nthe front foot
Sahko in as well
TOure is dead wood
Enrique will be cone = he is the aurelio of this team
Moreno is not great

Henderson - top of his game imo
Milner - good willing runner
Can - very good but needs to get really fit imo. much better than shelvey.
Allen - [HASHTAG]#average[/HASHTAG]
lucas... past it at 28.. sad
coutinho - magic little player.. maxi not a patch on him
lallana [HASHTAG]#light[/HASHTAG] weight
ibe: child
markovic... not sure

Benteke - beast
Sturridge - sick note
ings - sub
origi - potential

I mean seriously theres options every where for rodgers.... not saying they are all that but from where he took over the direction is very much in keeping with strategy... young, fitter, better players.

it is still not top 4 IMO..... but there you go.. it is still going in the right direction rather than down the pan.
 
We have a lot of young talent in the side.

Whether Rodgers is patient enough to develop them or even trust them is another question.
 
Jimmy Squarefoot said:
So it looks like Rodgers is doing things his way and if he fails/succeeds, it will be on his own terms.

I respect this if I'm honest. However, it certainly puts to bed the concerns I had over Rodgers's bias towards certain players i.e. committee signings.

[HASHTAG]#ITK[/HASHTAG]
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I was about to say similar. A manager should be his own man and believe in his own ideas. He shouldn't be so stubborn as to not listen to anyone else either though but ultimately, it's his job and his decisions so I appreciate him doing what he thinks is right.

Can't say I'm impressed that Sakho is out of favour (again) but if Lovren and Skrtel can form a good understanding and partnership then so be it. The time will tell when either of those aren't performing meaning Sakho deserves a go, I hope Brod isn't going to be a stubborn batard and not pick the Frenchman on principle. If he is stubborn then he deserves every bit of stick he gets, if he picks Sakho regardless then he deserves support IMO.
 
Jimmy Squarefoot said:
Interesting article from Tony Barrett. Key points (summary for Gez) below:

- Clyne, Lovren, Milner, Lallana and Benteke all started against Stoke - players personally identified by the manager.

- Overlooked players like Sakho, Markovic, Moreno and Origi - committee signings.

- Although players not signed against his will, Rodgers had to accept that internal politics meant that he could not always get his first target.

- Sakho had made himself available for the game against Stoke. While Rodgers used the cover of Sakho becoming a father to explain his absence, Henderson was picked during similar circumstances for the FA Cup quarter final.

- Sakho, Lucas and Moreno are not first choice - Lucas most likely to leave but not sure if the other two will stay and fight for their place.
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Cheers for the summery ;)

If true, Markovic, Moreno and Origi (bit harsh since he only joined the squad recently) aren't exactly biting at the bit to be included anyway.

Its still one man's opinion though.
 
Gerrez said:
I was about to say similar. A manager should be his own man and believe in his own ideas. He shouldn't be so stubborn as to not listen to anyone else either though but ultimately, it's his job and his decisions so I appreciate him doing what he thinks is right.

Can't say I'm impressed that Sakho is out of favour (again) but if Lovren and Skrtel can form a good understanding and partnership then so be it. The time will tell when either of those aren't performing meaning Sakho deserves a go, I hope Brod isn't going to be a stubborn batard and not pick the Frenchman on principle. If he is stubborn then he deserves every bit of stick he gets, if he picks Sakho regardless then he deserves support IMO.
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I thought Sakho was given time off because his mrs had sprogged?
 
saintanton said:
I thought Sakho was given time off because his mrs had sprogged?
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Yes, but since emerged that Sakho made himself available and had been training during the week.

And similar situations including Henderson and Allen but both were picked.

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and i think such things are largely irrelevant

what the players at the club did this week should be all thats important... if you could hand on heart say that a SINGLE (including sahko) player who was bteer than that on the pitch was over looked the manager should be sapped upside the head.

lovern did just fine.. gomez is better than moreno as of now.. firmino is not fit so lallana started.. can looks chubby.... in the end rodgers picked an 11... I would rather can and firmino get into that 11 ASAP... ibe and lallana are the two top crop out to make this happen
 
saintanton said:
I thought Sakho was given time off because his mrs had sprogged?
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See Jimmy's thread or response here...

Jimmy Squarefoot said:
Yes, but since emerged that Sakho made himself available and had been training during the week.

And similar situations including Henderson and Allen but both were picked.

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...don't know how true any of it is, only thing I know is he didn't play. I'm quite happy to go with Skrtel and Lovren after their performance against Stoke TBH.
 
Gerrez said:
See Jimmy's thread or response here...



...don't know how true any of it is, only thing I know is he didn't play. I'm quite happy to go with Skrtel and Lovren after their performance against Stoke TBH.
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without full info all we know is rodgers over the whole preseason efforts picked skertl and lovern (and firstly quickly too) as his choice pairing.. his job hangs on making these calls
 
moreinjuredthanowen said:
Yes it is.. its got options every where bar LB and CM based on the players we have so compared to when rodgers started

Brad Jones
Pepe Reina
Doni

Defenders
Glen Johnson
José Enrique - sick note
Daniel Agger -sick note
Fábio Aurélio -total sick note
Sebastián Coates -dross
Jamie Carragher -decrepit
Martin Kelly -sick note
Martin Škrtel
Jon Flanagan [HASHTAG]#average[/HASHTAG]
Jack Robinson - child

Midfielders
Steven Gerrard - past it.
Maxi Rodríguez - past it
Jordan Henderson 21 years old
Stewart Downing muck
Jay Spearing [HASHTAG]#journeyman[/HASHTAG]
Lucas At his best
Charlie Adam [HASHTAG]#journeyman[/HASHTAG]
Raheem Sterling Child
Jonjo Shelvey muppet

Forwards
Luis Suárez worldie... racist... biter...
Andy Carroll - sick note
Dirk Kuyt past it
Craig Bellamy past it.

....................

If you look at this rodgers was handed an average squad and his signings were indeed mixed... It was a real pity he didn't rely on reina and agger more but he really only had a few guys up to the job didn't he? a lot of guys who were getting on and not up to it or sick notes

We've now seens 3 years of buying build the current squad... what you would have to say is there's just a few guys hanging on but everyone else is young enough and fit enough (barring sturridge) to call it a much better quad of players.

Until we see firmino explode on the scene we don't know but it lacks the worldie to lead it.... and thats hard to get.

Mingolet is a decent keeper, but not amazing.
Bogdan is as average as jones but there you go

Clyne is an improvement
Gomez is the best young defneder i've seen since rob jones
Wisdom is a unit and on loan better than kelly?
Sketl still there
Lovern in I defend him as i think he plays o nthe front foot
Sahko in as well
TOure is dead wood
Enrique will be cone = he is the aurelio of this team
Moreno is not great

Henderson - top of his game imo
Milner - good willing runner
Can - very good but needs to get really fit imo. much better than shelvey.
Allen - [HASHTAG]#average[/HASHTAG]
lucas... past it at 28.. sad
coutinho - magic little player.. maxi not a patch on him
lallana [HASHTAG]#light[/HASHTAG] weight
ibe: child
markovic... not sure

Benteke - beast
Sturridge - sick note
ings - sub
origi - potential

I mean seriously theres options every where for rodgers.... not saying they are all that but from where he took over the direction is very much in keeping with strategy... young, fitter, better players.

it is still not top 4 IMO..... but there you go.. it is still going in the right direction rather than down the pan.
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Dont forget the skillful workhorse that Is firmino and the luxury creative god that is Tex
 
moreinjuredthanowen said:
when i was doing midfield i was thinking frimno = forward... then i got lazy and jus did the last bit quick

Teix i wrote off...cos i forgot.
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I have to remember not to mention tex. The more mentions he gets from me the greater chance he will be susod off or his career might deteriorate Into a great pile of pacheco
 
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