Off Topic Mafia 10: sign up thread. the swarbs re-run!

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Choose which type of mafia you want

  • No role mafia, all work together to decide what action is taken

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Improved don role, hitman and thief as before

    Votes: 9 69.2%

  • Known bad guy godfather, hitman and thief as before.

    Votes: 4 30.8%
  • Total voters
    13
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moreinjuredthanowen said:
so far 8 people want the improved don.

4 want a known don

0 want a no role mafia team.

thats 12 out of 18 players.

The vote is still open but i will be starting to look at the don role now.
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How do you know its 12 of the confirmed 18...? It could be outsiders voting :)
 
Sir Tennisball said:
My take on it (from earlier post), for what it's worth:

Just a tweak for the Don will be fine.
Normally I would say make him invisible to investigations but if hitman gets killed early they're screwed, and if thief dies no more bullets, so I think that's the biggest risk. I think the Don could be made invisible to investigations while he has no additional powers (except for his recruitment power), and once he acquires powers his invisibility to investigations disappears.

Once a mafia member dies the recruit or Don can take over their role but at 50% efficiency (for both thief and hitman roles, but if hitman misses he doesn't waste a bullet). If a second member dies the Don can take over that role too with the same limitations, however the recruit can only have one role so he is whoever he chose that first time someone died (same as the last game).
Example:
Mafia team at start: Don, Hitman, Thief.
Don recruits: Don, Hitman, Thief, Recruit (no powers).
Thief gets killed: Don, Hitman, Recruit (Thief powers at 50%). (makes no sense for Don to take Thief powers as he would lose investigative invisibility)
Recruit gets killed: Don (Thief powers at 50%), Hitman . (Don is now visible to investigations)
Hitman dies: Don (Hitman powers at 50%, Thief powers at 50%). (Don can choose to be a hitman OR a thief each night, can't do both).

In the previous example when it was just the Don & the Hitman, if the Don was killed next then the Hitman would be Hitman only as he can't become the thief. Only the recruit can take on another role (one time only when first mafia dies, same as the last game), or the Don can (multiple times, whenever a mafia role dies).
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I like that idea but on the flip side, every investigation carried out by town would become questionable. It would be like the Drunk cop only having a 66% chance of success. The percentage would be high at the start; 94.2% with eighteen players and excluding yourself from the calculation and decrease by 5.8% with each dying player. Unless the Don is lynched of course.
 
moreinjuredthanowen said:
My view, though not that strong yet is that if the other roles mess up its thier fault.

for instance had valley survived a coin toss... lets leave the joshing aside... then he'd have earned another bullet for the hitman.

the hitman got to kill twice didn't he so he was out of bullets in last game. he prob could have fired a thrid time.

So there has to be some element of skill in this game too?

The recruit earning the power of whoever was killed as good.

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ok so i guess here is my thing:

1. I am of the view any mafia team with a recruit power should use that power asap. I always say that be it is very very rarely done as people hang on to it either as they don't see the value over other actions OR they want to wait form some role to reveal all. a 4 man team is stronger than a 3 man team.

2. the don in the last game stated he felt like it was the only thing he could do so why not go do it. (gerrez) otherwise i'm not sure he would have.

3. the core issue was once one mafia went the others went too. access all areas occurred etc.

therefore my view is that we should look to strengthen the don role but not diminish the other two as the other two are "experts" The hitman role is also a vital one for zombie killing later in game too.

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The don:

1. Balances the known cop. will appear innocent if investigated by the cop. an not sure if i should include the journalist in that.

2. Will be bullet proof. this mean he cannot be killed at night. ergo if the guy is attacked by the hunter he will resist. the hunter will then know he is mafia.

3. will not be back up to any role

4. can recruit one player. recruitment will occur before investigations so should not actually be seen happening.

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Tweek to recruited mafia:

1. eliminate 50% effectiveness.... thoughts?
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I probably wouldn't have used it until later but that always runs the risk of not getting to use it at all. Using it early ensures the Mafia team recruit and offers the best chance of avoiding the SK or SZ etc but I don't agree a four man team early on is a good thing. The more players in the Mafia team, the easier it becomes to make mistakes and leave clues. Also, I believe the key to these games when playing as a Mafia member is confusion; save the recruit until the town have worked out two or three roles then use it to cast doubt on the things they knew.
 
yes confusion is good and of primary import.

I think however skill is the key to now dropping clues. the most skilled efforts i've seen have been bad guys (nev and TGE) who placed themselves as good guys.

In the end the function of non roel town is not only to figure the whole thing out but also to be the hiding place for all roles.

have 4 in the mafia right at the outset means ok they can find you easier BUT only slightly it gives a wider array of things to do.

I've not yet seen a real good split if mafia strategies yet. i've seen a lot of latching onto other stuff

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I' not going to mess round too much with the rules. Not touching the other roles as the idea was not to tweek too much and play it again.
 
moreinjuredthanowen said:
yes confusion is good and of primary import.

I think however skill is the key to now dropping clues. the most skilled efforts i've seen have been bad guys (nev and TGE) who placed themselves as good guys.

In the end the function of non roel town is not only to figure the whole thing out but also to be the hiding place for all roles.

have 4 in the mafia right at the outset means ok they can find you easier BUT only slightly it gives a wider array of things to do.

I've not yet seen a real good split if mafia strategies yet. i've seen a lot of latching onto other stuff

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I' not going to mess round too much with the rules. Not touching the other roles as the idea was not to tweek too much and play it again.
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I did that on night one of the last game (Mason's even mentioned recruiting me) but for someone's crazy antics <whistle>

Swarbs did very well as Mafia in AFC's crazy secret Mcfucking secret game <laugh>
 
Gerrez said:
I did that on night one of the last game (Mason's even mentioned recruiting me) but for someone's crazy antics <whistle>

Swarbs did very well as Mafia in AFC's crazy secret Mcfucking secret game <laugh>
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yes your actions for me looked to be ensuring a tie and reacting to someone else.

I pegged swarbs in that game the night i got out. I also had nev down as being far far far too helpful to my blatent suicide attempt.

thanks to bod who i deliberately voted for as he was looking for votes. He was the meth head but i didn't know until reading dead board he could only shoot those who voted for him.
 
moreinjuredthanowen said:
yes your actions for me looked to be ensuring a tie and reacting to someone else.

I pegged swarbs in that game the night i got out. I also had nev down as being far far far too helpful to my blatent suicide attempt.

thanks to bod who i deliberately voted for as he was looking for votes. He was the meth head but i didn't know until reading dead board he could only shoot those who voted for him.
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I am just an all round nice guy. What can I say?

If you wanted to commit suicide it would have been rude not to help :)
 
TheJudeanPeoplesFront said:
I will play if you need a 20th player. If you don't I'm happy to play with myself as always :bandit:
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Now this I have to see. The entertainment stakes have just rocketed. <laugh>

EDIT: just reread that. To clarify I meant I have to see JPF participate in mafia not JPF playing with himself. I see that every Friday.
 
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