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Craig smith said:
Certainly a very unwelcome board I'm afraid.
Most of the time I just read because it's just not worth putting your thoughts on here because their never right.
It's a old boys club.
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Craig everybody's views are more than welcome on here and posters like FLT,Fran, ETC give a great debate and conversation in return without any insults.
But I do agree there has been one or two posters in the past who would get slightly insulting on here if you disagreed with them.......but they are gone now and the bunch who post on here now are a good bunch.
And yes the Spurs fan on here the other day ruffled some feathers but he came on here wummimg from the off.
So please keep posting your views and opinions ....
 
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Qwerty said:
Maybe if you give me a fiver.
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How about we arrange a buy out clause, if they think you are good enough we can arrange a proper transfer,

However if you turn out to be better than we thought, we will of course gazump them and sell you to the highest bidder, I think that's fair, don't you?
 
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Mikey said:
Sometimes I think that those few (for the most part infamous) posters who were always looking for a chance to be negative, who complained about every aspect to the point that they almost seemed like trolls, have kind of scarred this forum into being a bit over sensitive towards criticising or even just questioning the club. Sure there's still people who will just needlessly moan about anything, and those who will vent on the match threads after losses mostly just bitching and not actually saying anything of substance, but it feels like at times these days any discussion of anything that could be viewed as looking negatively at the club is dismissed and moved on from. Want to discuss how we went about an attempted transfer or our policy in general? Pshhh, [HASHTAG]#Meltdown[/HASHTAG], doesn't matter now, move on.
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I use meltdown as tbh. No way is this forum as bad as last season, now that was a meltdown.
 
Beefy said:
Or we thought what is the point as he didn't want to join us anyways.
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That's not the bloody point though! They still had a contract to honour and allegedly didn't. It shouldnt be about the player it should be about the principle otherwise every bigger team will ride rough shod over the smaller ones.

I also hate the way the Premier league does what they want and the football league is too weak to standup to it
 
AshbySaint said:
That's not the bloody point though! They still had a contract to honour and allegedly didn't. It shouldnt be about the player it should be about the principle otherwise every bigger team will ride rough shod over the smaller ones.
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I am not really sure what we can sue for at this point.

If Alderweireld had come to terms on an agreement to play for Saints or said he'd not been given the opportunity to negotiate with Saints then we could go back to Atletico and say they either need to sell him to us for the agreed upon price, or pay us 1.5m. Because Atletico are the ones holding up the deal when they have rescinded their ability to do so.

But in this case, it appears Alderweireld wants to play for Spurs. So regardless of what Atletico does, we suffered no damages. We are not being prevented from executing the transfer agreement by Atletico's actions, but by Alderweireld's choice.

Moreover, Atletico has no legal ability to sell Alderweireld to us if he won't sign a contract to play for us. All they can do is control their rights to the player. They can't barter away the players' rights.

Look at it this way. We had a buy option for Bertrand. If Bertrand had decided he didn't like it here and did not want to sign a permanent deal, could we have sued Chelsea? No, that would be ridiculous. That sort of thing happens all the time-- player goes to a club, does well, club wishes to exercise their buy option, but player doesn't wish to play there. No one has ever suggested that a buy clause grants the loanee club a legal right to the player should he not wish to play there.

This is the same situation. Alderweireld does not want to play for us, so we have no rights to him. The only twist is Atletico's theoretical ability to cancel the buyout clause. But that confers to THEM an additional right, not us. If we agreed on a contract with Bertrand, then Chelsea had to sell him to us for 9m. But if we agreed to a contract with Alderweireld, Atletico could still refuse to sell him to us if they paid us 1.5m. The option to cancel the buyout agreement was for ATLETICO's benefit, not ours. That was their shield when they entered into the agreement. You can't turn try and turn that into a sword against them.
 
PleaseNotPoll said:
What on Earth are you talking about? We have our players picked off all the time.
The only difference is that we've been steadily increasing the size of the teams that are doing it.
It used to be clubs like Monaco and Marseille, then Man Utd and now it's Real Madrid.

We can't compete with the clubs above us on wages, either. We can't even compete Liverpool and they finished below us.
Teams like Newcastle and QPR have a smaller gap to us than we do to the Scousers, nevermind any of last season's top 4.

As for a managerial merry-go-round, Nigel Adkins says hi. <laugh>
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In comparison to us, though, you can keep a player like Eriksen for seasons rather than 1 season (Lovren) or 2 seasons, as is the stay for some of ours. I rate him as your best player, and have not heard a whisper of discontent from him. After the first season, most of our best players are sending signals out to other clubs; and we already know who is likely to be off next window. You did well keeping Bale and Modric longer than expected too - whereas the slightest pressure or media whispers seem to send our players off sideways to other Europa clubs. I understand why really, but its bridging that gap for us that is frustrating - as we have decent momentum which seems exhausting to keep up sometimes. To us fans anyway - maybe it's different from the professionals working within the club. Can't complain about the money.

Always want to ask, though: how is your partnership with Real Madrid doing? Somehow it feels one-sided to me! What on earth do Spurs get out of it (bar the obvious: circa 100m Euros <laugh>)
 
The Archers said:
I feel this forum definitely has a hierarchy.....which is why I tend not to post on here anymore. :emoticon-0133-wait:
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Shame. There are clearly multi-posters, and it is also strongly evident that there are people who know each other in the real world (assuming that we accept that the forum is the virtual world, which in itself is contentious). There are in-jokes and running gags (FLT gagging for Kylie is a case for both points; he needs to get a life) but your mention of hierachy assumes that some posters are more significant than others, and so there is a kind of exclusive club.

I feared that this may be the case, but it has proven the exact opposite. I declared my intention to stop posting when I lost my only real-life friend with whom posting on this board had been a joint laugh. It was the warmth of the response that I got that kept me on here. I am sure there are those who now regret keeping an old duffer like me on the board, but they are far too polite to say so. If I post something half decent I get a response. If I write a pile of poo it gets ignored. That's fine. It's a great club to belong to, and in my view reflects the truly eclectic experience that comes with supporting Saints. In other words, every match I attend confirms my view that Saints fans are the best in the world, and this board reflects this.
 
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Agree - I don't post very often but I find the forum and its members just fine for the most part, with a good level of discussion and debate. People being far more active than me might seem slightly intimidating or as though I'm not a core part of a perceived 'club', but at no point have I found it unwelcoming. Different people have different personalities and some will always find others annoying where no offense was intented - I'm certainly fully capable of irritating people in real life without even realising I'm doing it.

Rergarding Toby, I'm certainly in the "shame, but oh well, we move on" category. The club has a great track record for signing players that build on what we've had before and help us become ever-stronger, and I have faith that this will all work out in our favour in the end. Just remember last summer.
 
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