Bullshit.. that's LeedsCouple of great quotes on there.
"Thought show ponies were paid in guineas"
"He finds the only club in football who's fans are more deluded than his Dad"
Ince confirmed....
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Why all the discord?
He didn't fit in at City, he fits in at Derby..
he wants to play every game which is expected at his stage in his career and he wouldn't be doing that under a 5-3-2 as has been stated
He didn't fit in at City, he fits in at Derby..
he wants to play every game which is expected at his stage in his career and he wouldn't be doing that under a 5-3-2 as has been stated
Your suggestion has some merit, but I would suggest that 11 from 18 would more than appease most managers needs.
Don't start talking general bullshit, we're talking about Tom Ince; if you don't think he could have been good for us then fine, I disagree.
I have always been of the opinion that if an attacking player can knock me in a shed-full of goals I would crack the whip on those whose don't. We have needed goals for so long my eyes bleed, but **** it, let's just have another halfy-halfy player.
I never posted Clements comments as proof of anything other than an endorsement, a qualified opinion, but if you fail to understand that the so-be-it.
Brady went through a bad patch; how long have you been following the team?
One of my major gripes is just that, we shouldn't be playing 3-5-2, we were perfectly built to play 4-2-3-1 next season if we'd kept Ince, Rosey & Quinn.
McG
Rosey Chester Dawson Brady
Meyler Quinn
Snodgrass Diame/Aluko Ince
New Striker
Instead we'll play something akin to:
McG
Elmo Chester Bruce Dawson Brady
New CM Meyler New CM
New Striker Aluko
You must have missed the time it took to get Brady into gear, he certainly was not an immediate impact player.
Even if Chester goes this is one hell of a Championship team:
McGregor
Elmo Dawson Davies Robertson
Meyler Huddlestone
Snodgrass Diame Brady
Aluko
Snodgrass isn't available for at least the first two months of the season, Diame isn't available for at least the first month, then he'll be a week away for another month and Aluko is no good as a lone front man.
Think we're more likely to see this team start the season:
McGregor
Elmo Dawson Bruce Davies Robertson
Meyler Huddlestone New Midfielder
Aluko
Jelavic/New Striker
McGregor
Elmo Dawson Bruce Davies Robertson
Meyler Huddlestone New Midfielder
Aluko
Jelavic/New Striker
Davies and Diame will go, as will one of Robertson & Brady, and possibly (and hopefully) Huddlestone too.
Elmo at right-back after we released a far better right-back in Rosenior would be madness, I thoroughly expect the same old 3-5-2, lumping hopeful balls into the box all game.
I think we will play 4 at the back to protect Dawson so I completely disagree, he is too slow and injury prone for 3 at the back but in a 4 he would be protected more and we can use his fantastic distribution from the back, Maguire would be the perfect stand in for his inevitable injuries. All this stuff about 3-5-2 isn't going to come to fruition also Ince is no sad loss as he's never done it for us, we won't miss whatever he brings to his next team, if he wanted to stay he could have, just a mercenary ****head lead by his father
If we're going to play a 4 then the release of Rosenior and the sale of Ince go from being silly to being absolute ****ing disasters.
Rosenior is in a different class to Elmo as a right-back, and Ince is quite possibly the best winger in the Championship.
The argument that selling Ince is all good because he's never been an important player for us is illogical. He struggled when he was completely miss-used, played out of position with balls lumped forward to him in the Premier League. Does that mean that he wouldn't excel if he was properly used, played in the right position, in a division which he has torn apart on countless occasions? Of course it doesn't, he's a huge loss if we're going to play with wingers.
Bruce didn't want to sell him (Ince) from what I gather today about not knowing about the sell on clause, if we keep Elmo and Brady then we aren't doing too badly at the back for wing-backs as well as Townsend/Lenihan coming into contention, Chester (if kept) is versatile too, even Meyler played right-back v Germany for Eire so although I didn't like seeing Rosy go I don't think we will miss him as much as you think
I would have kept Rosy myself by the way, it's just a shame he didn't sign the offered contract so that the Allams could get rid
I'm not blaming Bruce for Ince's departure.
Elmo and Meyler can play right-back, but nowhere near as effectively as Rosenior. And Chester, if kept, is our best centre-back, personally, I'd rather he was played there.
''Play your players in their best positions'' ....... how novel is that? It'll never ****ing catch on at Hull City.
Seriously, where do you get this from?
Why didn't he fit in at City, do you have something to back that up, I really am interested, tell me? He was loaned out because Bruce had committed to 3-5-2 and he had promised him regular football - to be fair Steve Bruce constantly struggling with his tactics and selections makes it very difficult for anyone to judge a player fairly, so I take his last games in this league (with Derby) and he was outstanding. I keep seeing folk saying he is a problem in the dressing room (not much to substantiate it, though), so what, sort the kid out, it's called management.
Steve Bruce said way back that he was pondering his seasons tactics and he was clear he was undecided. If we assume that he knows his stuff and he had decided to play 3-5-2 , then I would have thought he would not have been so outspoken about his anger at selling Ince to Derby. One thing is a fact, he did not come across as a manager who thought of Ince as a dressing room disruption - did he to you?
I find it bizarre that having been one of the few who would have got shot of Bruce, I find myself having to remind folk that Bruce (and Derby) wanted Ince and saw him as a KEY part of his team; but okay, if you all say so, Bruce was wrong, Ince had goals we don't need and he is a total ****er and detrimental to the club. Now go and find someone as good or better. I can't help but believe that if Ince had of signed for us he would have been praised as the next best thing since sliced bread,