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More than one person has pointed out multiple valid reason why they wouldn't. If I was PI I would not have come forward yet, there's just no need so early.
Not a valid reason.
If I was a **** drunk PI whose information is completely wrong a third of the time, and by Day 3 I had learnt nothing useful, and I knew that Valley was the possible target of a mafia assassination and that a debate was raging on MITO's possible guilt and I had information that would, beyond doubt, cause us to wipe another mafia off the map, leaving just one mafia.............and I still didn't come forward....then friend we are approaching ****** town.

If I came forward, the mafia have to choose between offing me and offing Valley, thats if they haven't already used their two hits, which they quite possibly have (IBWT and Gerrez), even if they could get a third and take out me or Valley, would I think "maybe they can get a fourth and take out both investigators"...no....again Tardsville.

and "So early?" its Day 3. We could win the game tonight if we play this right.
Yes there is the cartel but the fact that he hasn't recruited, when he has had two nights in which to do so, tells me he is inactive.
To sum up....not buying this "Drunk PI shouldnt come forward" bollocks.
 
how do you know.. please just tell me as while the rules dont state it out loud like they do for mafia the additional part says there are at least info they have and we are not told everything

keep an open mind.

Honestly mate, I only understood 'keep an open mind.' I can't make out half of what you're saying

What does 'there are at least info they have and we are not told everything' mean. No offence fella, but I'm have massive problems with your English.
 
Why is it good tactics for the mafia to know the identity of our two remaining primary investigators with the Doctor dead?

Because it is unlikely that the mafia will have a total of three kills left and be able to use them all in a short space of time (admitted only based on past games). We have three investigators left. The most reliable is Valley (tho open to underhand tricks), next is the PI (tho only 2/3 accurate and open to underhand tricks) and the least reliable is the nutter (who is a bit of a liability (but still useful) and only has a 1 in 4 chance of investigating and is open to dirty tricks). The ability to investigate and expose is our strongest ability. By now the 'real' PI should have two names (even if they are townies it helps) and also could confirm that we should kill MITO. It's a no-brainer.
 
Not a valid reason.
If I was a **** drunk PI whose information is completely wrong a third of the time, and by Day 3 I had learnt nothing useful, and I knew that Valley was the possible target of a mafia assassination and that a debate was raging on MITO's possible guilt and I had information that would, beyond doubt, cause us to wipe another mafia off the map, leaving just one mafia.............and I still didn't come forward....then friend we are approaching ****** town.

If I came forward, the mafia have to choose between offing me and offing Valley, thats if they haven't already used their two hits, which they quite possibly have (IBWT and Gerrez), even if they could get a third and take out me or Valley, would I think "maybe they can get a fourth and take out both investigators"...no....again Tardsville.

and "So early?" its Day 3. We could win the game tonight if we play this right.
Yes there is the cartel but the fact that he hasn't recruited, when he has had two nights in which to do so, tells me he is inactive.
To sum up....not buying this "Drunk PI shouldnt come forward" bollocks.

Why is it good tactics for the mafia to know the identity of our two remaining primary investigators with the Doctor dead? On day 3!
 
Honestly mate, I only understood 'keep an open mind.' I can't make out half of what you're saying

What does 'there are at least info they have and we are not told everything' mean. No offence fella, but I'm have massive problems with your English.

Are you being serious?

His quote was "the additional part says there are at least info they have and we are not told everything" and it makes perfectly god sense. One word in the wrong tense on a forum post is no need to attack him!
 
Because it is unlikely that the mafia will have a total of three kills left and be able to use them all in a short space of time (admitted only based on past games). We have three investigators left. The most reliable is Valley (tho open to underhand tricks), next is the PI (tho only 2/3 accurate and open to underhand tricks) and the least reliable is the nutter (who is a bit of a liability (but still useful) and only has a 1 in 4 chance of investigating and is open to dirty tricks). The ability to investigate and expose is our strongest ability. By now the 'real' PI should have two names (even if they are townies it helps) and also could confirm that we should kill MITO. It's a no-brainer.

A one in four chance of gaining an investigation isn't a primary investigator. How do you know the Mafia haven't triggered more kills today. The rules say they Start with two implying they gain more.
 
Honestly mate, I only understood 'keep an open mind.' I can't make out half of what you're saying

What does 'there are at least info they have and we are not told everything' mean. No offence fella, but I'm have massive problems with your English.

this will be the third time i've posted it today
Page one OP

Win conditions are:

o Mafia win when they are majority team left in game or it is inevitable this will occur.

o Cartel win when they are majority team left in game or it is inevitable this will occur.

o Serial killer wins if all other players are dead

o Townspeople win when all bad guys are wiped out.

Additionally:

You will not know every action available in the game, some information will only be revealed to certain roles or mafia/cartel. So keep an open mind.

Once you are dead, you are dead, please do not post in the thread or like comments, I have set up a private board for dead people to discuss the game and I will PM you the link when you die. I know it's rubbish to die but try and let the game progress, it will be difficult enough with so many players to keep track without dead people getting involved! Thanks!

Play in the spirit the game is meant, it's a bit of fun! And bare with me as it's my first time hosting and a rather large game. I've done my best to keep it balanced but interesting!

I maintain the right to give any of you Ebola for pissing about resulting in a missed vote or death. My decision is final!


The Roles:

Mafia

There are 3 members of the mafia.

2 Hits - The mafia will start with two hits. At what intervals and the method of kill is only known to the mafia.

Mafia will have a hidden action.



Now i have posted it 3 times at this point... you will not know every action. How do you know for absolutely sure that there are only one hidden power for one group

It reads to me as:

Mafia have a hidden action as you pointed out.

but others could too.
 
A one in four chance of gaining an investigation isn't a primary investigator. How do you know the Mafia haven't triggered more kills today. The rules say they Start with two implying they gain more.

I agree they may well have tried to kill Valley. That's what I have been saying and why there is all the more reason to make sure we don't kill off our PI without trying to other methods of checking first!!
 
this will be the third time i've posted it today
Page one OP

Win conditions are:

o Mafia win when they are majority team left in game or it is inevitable this will occur.

o Cartel win when they are majority team left in game or it is inevitable this will occur.

o Serial killer wins if all other players are dead

o Townspeople win when all bad guys are wiped out.

Additionally:

You will not know every action available in the game, some information will only be revealed to certain roles or mafia/cartel. So keep an open mind.

Once you are dead, you are dead, please do not post in the thread or like comments, I have set up a private board for dead people to discuss the game and I will PM you the link when you die. I know it's rubbish to die but try and let the game progress, it will be difficult enough with so many players to keep track without dead people getting involved! Thanks!

Play in the spirit the game is meant, it's a bit of fun! And bare with me as it's my first time hosting and a rather large game. I've done my best to keep it balanced but interesting!

I maintain the right to give any of you Ebola for pissing about resulting in a missed vote or death. My decision is final!


The Roles:

Mafia

There are 3 members of the mafia.

2 Hits - The mafia will start with two hits. At what intervals and the method of kill is only known to the mafia.

Mafia will have a hidden action.



Now i have posted it 3 times at this point... you will not know every action. How do you know for absolutely sure that there are only one hidden power for one group

It reads to me as:

Mafia have a hidden action as you pointed out.

but others could too.

How was I to know you were on about that post from that jibbeish <doh> I'm voting for you. I'm off. We're just spamming the thread up.
 
when i die it will be proved. This is why i invited the methd head to kill me now.

If the methead can/does kill you to order???..that's insane. As some of us are operating thinking you MIGHT be the drunk pi..and an asset worth saving..you seem to be suggesting kill you and Sir tennis..just so you can prove you are the actual drunk?

Don't follow that line of reasoning at all. It's an either /or type choice as far as I can see..not both at same time..which is the worst of all possible options

If it turns out sir tennis was townie you are pretty much screwed for the next lynching anyways. (Due to mounting circumstantial evidence)

On a separate note...If MITO is drunk..then valley needs a damn good look at..(feel it in my bones)
 
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Why is it good tactics for the mafia to know the identity of our two remaining primary investigators with the Doctor dead? On day 3!
Because at most they have one hit left, and couldnt possibly kill them both.
They may even have no hits left, we will see if Valley goes tonight.
The mafia are powerless to kill both investigators unless they have an ability which gives them a further TWO additional kills.....is that likely? I personally dont think so.
And what good is the real drunk PI anyway, if he hasn't come forward, has provided no information, hasn't challenged MITO, is wrong 1/3 of the time anyway, oh no game over if we lose such a valuable member!!
 
I agree they may well have tried to kill Valley. That's what I have been saying and why there is all the more reason to make sure we don't kill off our PI without trying to other methods of checking first!!

You don't know if he's the PI! round and round in circles, I've given you the chance to prove he's the PI with solid evidence, you can't so you haven't convinced me so my vote stands. Better go do Mito's bidding on some of the others who've voted for him. Wiseguy
 
Because it would make it 11 v 1 v 1 v1

What is not to understand about that. It's basic stuff. Any investigator with info not coming forward in that scenario is being a bellend IMO.
Exactly this.
an 11 v 1 v 1 situation is assured if the PI comes forward.
It would take a monumental **** up of epic proportions for town to lose in that situation.
 
You don't know if he's the PI! round and round in circles, I've given you the chance to prove he's the PI with solid evidence, you can't so you haven't convinced me so my vote stands. Better go do Mito's bidding on some of the others who've voted for him. Wiseguy
Its inconsequential, I still think Meth head kills MITO, we lynch someone else.
 
Because at most they have one hit left, and couldnt possibly kill them both.
They may even have no hits left, we will see if Valley goes tonight.
The mafia are powerless to kill both investigators unless they have an ability which gives them a further TWO additional kills.....is that likely? I personally dont think so.
And what good is the real drunk PI anyway, if he hasn't come forward, has provided no information, hasn't challenged MITO, is wrong 1/3 of the time anyway, oh no game over if we lose such a valuable member!!

See my post to Less Hope about Mafia starting kills
 
Why is it good tactics for the mafia to know the identity of our two remaining primary investigators with the Doctor dead? On day 3!

1. i didn't come out first. valley did.

2. have you bothered googling good detective tactics? I have asked this a couple times too. here http://forums.totalwar.org/vb/archive/index.php/t-71041.html

in short the job of the investigator is not to hoard info nor to prove people innocent. it is to find guilty people. as the guilty are a small minority when one is found you kill them.

ie reveal.

Valley found tobes he revealed. He also found me with a bloody knife. I would have revealed this no question.

3. I found tennis. I was revealed by valley. If my info was good i had a responsibility to come out but i also felt I could not just play off valleys statement and later come out as it'd not be believed

4. If you guys think i am mafia then you should lynch me now. (or kill me) valley has given you info. I am saying it is plain wrong. I'm saying the possibility exists that the information your 99% innocent psychic has given is wrong and you'd better ponder why its wrong.

my one question for you funky is this: at what point do you think... hey... "hard evidence = tobes as not town, we proved it." but today mito being non town is not hard evidence, I think it is but i don't know for sure.

I am saying square to you funky I am the drunk so valley is wrong
 
See my post to Less Hope about Mafia starting kills
See my post about the PI, if he is not MITO, being ****ing useless and having contributed nothing, so I dont give a rats ass if he dies at this stage.
 
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