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Funky Dick said:
You being PI, the kidnap, valley's investigations being compromised, valley being mafia and taking out his own team mate, all your suggestions without a shred of evidence. Just a very keen Less Hope defending you strongly and drawing a lot of attention to himself.
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The same could be said in reverse about a very keen Funky determined to see our PI killed. I fully accept that if MITO is mafia then it makes sense to lynch me. I just don't think he is. I think we're going down the wrong route going after him and that we are being played by people who want us to lose our investigation powers. By the same token though, if he is found to be the PI I think it makes sense that you should be next up for lynching.
 
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Less Hope Than Neville said:
That's my point. They only have one hidden power. We need to be careful not to attribute too many actions to hidden mafia powers. there are more people in the game than mafia (cartel/serial killer) and if we put everything down to mfia power we will mis things
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The Cartel and serial killer doesn't have any hidden actions.

Only the Mafia have a hidden action. Read the rules. Mito is claiming the possibility of there being two hidden actions when there's one in the entire game. It's really not difficult to see Mito has tripped himself up.
 
Funky Dick said:
The Cartel and serial killer doesn't have any hidden actions.

Only the Mafia have a hidden action. Read the rules. Mito is claiming the possibility of there being two hidden actions when there's one in the entire game. It's really not difficult to see Mito has tripped himself up.
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From the rules you keep telling us to read...

You will not know every action available in the game, some information will only be revealed to certain roles or mafia/cartel. So keep an open mind.
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Less Hope Than Neville said:
The same could be said in reverse about a very keen Funky determined to see our PI killed. I fully accept that if MITO is mafia then it makes sense to lynch me. I just don't think he is. I think we're going down the wrong route going after him and that we are being played by people who want us to lose our investigation powers. By the same token though, if he is found to be the PI I think it makes sense that you should be next up for lynching.
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We only have his word he's PI. Which he claimed under duress. Valley published an investigation which turned out to be true. But what if Valley has been compromised by the hidden mafia action? you may ask, not possible as your trusted PI has already claimed a kidnapping, there's nothing about kidnapping in the rules meaning Mito has already claimed the hidden action.

If you can't grasp this and are following just strangers word with no evidence at all then you're dodgy as ****.

Lynch me for following physical evidence and no putting my faith in the word of a stranger like you have? Aye righto <laugh>

You're fast looking like either Mafia or a liability.
 
Afternoon vote table:

Mito (5): Valley, ACS, Funky, Sir tennisball, Rolando,
Bodanki (2): Mito, Lucaaas
Sir tennisball (5): Less Hope than Neville, Sebbs campaign manager, Nobbertos salsa inferno, Swarbs, Bodanki
666 Tash 666 (1): BobbyD

Yet to vote: Mikey, 666 Tash 666
 
Swarbs said:
Aaaaaah, stop being all obtuse and just tell us!

The second paragraph implies Funky is schizo, Tash is cartel / town on gardening leave and Lucaaas is Mafia. I can't deduce anything from that as we have no hard evidence on schizo or cartel, other than Tash being inactive and cartel being inactive.



Say it anyway! FFS what is it with people working stuff out and not sharing it with the town?!?
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I'm pretty certain Funky is town in some form or other.
Tash is the puzzler for me. Although he does have gaps in his posting habits lads, to be fair to him.
 
Funky Dick said:
We only have his word he's PI. Which he claimed under duress. Valley published an investigation which turned out to be true. But what if Valley has been compromised by the hidden mafia action? you may ask, not possible as your trusted PI has already claimed a kidnapping, there's nothing about kidnapping in the rules meaning Mito has already claimed the hidden action.

If you can't grasp this and are following just strangers word with no evidence at all then you're dodgy as ****.

Lynch me for following physical evidence and no putting my faith in the word of a stranger like you have? Aye righto <laugh>

You're fast looking like either Mafia or a liability.
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I can't tell if you are being deliberately disruptive towards MITO because you are mafia/cartel or if you are just playing the game really badly. Nobody is doubting the fact that there is serious evidence against MITO, however, all logic points to the fact that he is the victim of a setup. Seriously - just look at the thread. When you have ruled out all the probable outcomes then what is left, no matter how improbable, is the truth.
 
Less Hope Than Neville said:
From the rules you keep telling us to read...
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That's true, But I'm working with what I know, you're ignoring physical evidence to support unsupported claims and complete speculation. The Mafia have a hidden action, it's not plural, so it stands to reason that any other mafia power would be in the form of roles or challenges. Either that or the rules are very poorly written.

There's no doubt about it that I'm following real evidence while you're just punching in the dark.
 
afcftw said:
Afternoon vote table:

Mito (5): Valley, ACS, Funky, Sir tennisball, Rolando,
Bodanki (2): Mito, Lucaaas
Sir tennisball (5): Less Hope than Neville, Sebbs campaign manager, Nobbertos salsa inferno, Swarbs, Bodanki
666 Tash 666 (1): BobbyD

Yet to vote: Mikey, 666 Tash 666
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I might be wrong, but I think Bodanki switched to MITO.
 
Funky Dick said:
That's true, But I'm working with what I know, you're ignoring physical evidence to support unsupported claims and complete speculation. The Mafia have a hidden action, it's not plural, so it stands to reason that any other mafia power would be in the form of roles or challenges. Either that or the rules are very poorly written.
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But they aren't poorly written. They make perfect sense and make it clear that not everything will be spelled out to us. We need to keep an open mind at all times.

For me, there is a whole load of evidence against MITO, but you have to then apply logic to that evidence.

Why has nobody else come forward when there is a chance to confirm a mafia and leave the game at 11 v 1 v 1 v 1 - Any investigator not coming forward with information in that situation is playing the game terribly.

Why was MITO so keen to be investigated and made no effort to switch the investigation away from himself?

Actions speak louder than words and I believe MITO is innocent. I also believe that he is telling the truth about being PI. For this reason I think those keen to kill him off tonight with no form of test (even at the risk of losing an innocent townie) are either playing really badly or not on our side.
 
Funky Dick said:
That's true, But I'm working with what I know, you're ignoring physical evidence to support unsupported claims and complete speculation. The Mafia have a hidden action, it's not plural, so it stands to reason that any other mafia power would be in the form of roles or challenges. Either that or the rules are very poorly written.

There's no doubt about it that I'm following real evidence while you're just punching in the dark.
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It looks like we will find out tonight as it look to me like MITO is (wrongly) getting lynched. If MITO is proven to be mafia it will look very bad for me. If MITO is proven to be town it will look very bad for you. That's how the game goes I guess.
 
Less Hope Than Neville said:
But they aren't poorly written. They make perfect sense and make it clear that not everything will be spelled out to us. We need to keep an open mind at all times.

For me, there is a whole load of evidence against MITO, but you have to then apply logic to that evidence.

Why has nobody else come forward when there is a chance to confirm a mafia and leave the game at 11 v 1 v 1 v 1 - Any investigator not coming forward with information in that situation is playing the game terribly.

Why was MITO so keen to be investigated and made no effort to switch the investigation away from himself?

Actions speak louder than words and I believe MITO is innocent. I also believe that he is telling the truth about being PI. For this reason I think those keen to kill him off tonight with no form of test (even at the risk of losing an innocent townie) are either playing really badly or not on our side.
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More than one person has pointed out multiple valid reason why they wouldn't. If I was PI I would not have come forward yet, there's just no need so early.
 
Funky Dick said:
More than one person has pointed out multiple valid reason why they wouldn't. If I was PI I would not have come forward yet, there's just no need so early.
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In my opinion it would be really bad tactics not to come forward in that scenario. I'm just trying to follow logic and not be drawn in by obvious tricks and deceptions.
 
Less Hope Than Neville said:
It looks like we will find out tonight as it look to me like MITO is (wrongly) getting lynched. If MITO is proven to be mafia it will look very bad for me. If MITO is proven to be town it will look very bad for you. That's how the game goes I guess.
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I should be alright what with me backing the physical evidence, there's nothing strange about that what so ever. You're dismissing the only real evidence, it would look terrible for you. Anyway, that's tomorrow, this is today.
 
Funky Dick said:
Bigger than claiming the possibility of there being two mafia powers when the rules state there's one? If the mafia used their hidden action to kidnap your family and force you to murder, How can Valley's information have been manipulated as you suggested? To make the second possible you have to have lied about your family. This looks awfull,

These are the facts. You Killed Bisc and Valley's claim that Tobes was non town was true.

You being PI, the kidnap, valley's investigations being compromised, valley being mafia and taking out his own team mate, all your suggestions without a shred of evidence. Just a very keen Less Hope defending you strongly and drawing a lot of attention to himself.
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just coming back to you

please reread the rules

"Additionally:

You will not know every action available in the game, some information will only be revealed to certain roles or mafia/cartel. So keep an open mind."

I have already said that you are right that the mafia should only have one hidden power.. I am politely saying please keep an open mind that someone else has a hidden power

I agree with you that I killed IBWT. I said so as i got the pm. I agrre tobes was non town. thats proven. i also said lynch him.

I agree I can only tell you time and again that I am the drunk, i got the pm with the kidnap was why i killed ibwt and that valley's non town read on me is wrong. I can only keep saying it. I can't give you my pms and i can't prove it to you.

when i die it will be proved. This is why i invited the methd head to kill me now.
 
Funky Dick said:
The Cartel and serial killer doesn't have any hidden actions.

Only the Mafia have a hidden action. Read the rules. Mito is claiming the possibility of there being two hidden actions when there's one in the entire game. It's really not difficult to see Mito has tripped himself up.
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how do you know.. please just tell me as while the rules dont state it out loud like they do for mafia the additional part says there are at least info they have and we are not told everything

keep an open mind.
 
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