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Ok, something isn't adding up here. My scooby senses are making me suspicious of both MITO and Valley now. But that makes no sense as Valley is fingering MITO (dirty bugger).

My biggest concern with MITO is that he comes out and sacrifices himself and then suggests we lynch/kill everyone except him. I'm not saying he's wrong, but it raises massive question marks in my head. We've lost the doc and the detective today. If MITO or Valley are leading us up the garden path we could take out 3 more of our own with no wins.

Even if you are a townie MITO you have to see that looks dodgy. We have to be suspicious of everyone named and also everyone who has come forward now. There is something very convenient yet also with a bit of evil genius in your explanation. It's possible, but your keenness that we take out everyone except you does set off a few alarm bells if I am honest.
 
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moreinjuredthanowen said:
let me be clear.

I killed IBWT. the mafia took my family and left a picutre of them with a gun to their heads.. they forced this poor drunk to go knife ibwt.

On the way back i saw sir tennis and my result was MAFIA... again it can't be 100% due to rules.

again you'd be fools to at least not test that one out.
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You saying I'm not more important than your family...?
This probably isn't a good time that she was cheating on your with Gerrez and the kids aren't yours... <whistle>

**whispered the ghost of IBWT**

Please note this has no reference to the game just trying to keep myself entertained,
 
Obi Wan said:
OK, so AFC has passed me my first wave of secret info.

I have decided I will share with everyone.

He tells me that AT LEAST ONE of these points is TRUE. But NOT necessarily ALL.

1. Valley was seen chewing on salami in Luigi's restaurant, seemingly giving orders to someone.
2. Nobby was putting out his rubbish and there was a lot of noise from all those empty whiskey bottles.
3. Mikey was seen handing money over to a rather shady looking figure who was wearing a Newcastle United shirt.
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Well, if it was a big enough mind **** already... lol

Swarbs said:
Oh do **** off with more of this secret info which may or may not be true!

So if I interpret this right:

If 1. is true then Valley is Mafia and not psychic
If 2. is true then Nobby is town drunk and not MITO
If 3. is true then Mikey is Mafia? Or some weird secret role

Can't believe 1. as if Valley is Mafia why would he out himself? If we kill MITO or Tobes and they aren't Mafia then we go straight for Valley
Could possibly believe 2, as MITO claiming town drunk is quite convenient - if Sir Tennisball isn't Mafia then he can just say it was his 1/3 chance of being wrong
No idea about 2!!
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If Valley is telling the truth, we lynch Mito and get the assassin.

If we lynch mito and he's innocent, we attack Valley.


If mito is telling the truth, we kill Valley and may get a goon or a townie of forced into something.


IMO, there is a risk which ever way we go but one sees the Mafia assassin potentially killed with answers if not. However, I think Valley as been forced because....


ValleyGraduate12 said:
Lads, can I say that I have not said that MITO is Mafia, that I do not know. All I saw was him running away with a bloodied knife.
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... You're not saying anything else. "I've not been forced" doesn't cut it as you've portion been told to say that. You need to say something very different to show you're not jeopardised
 
moreinjuredthanowen said:
exactly.

you have said

1. tobes is non town

2. you saw me with bloody knife.

I am the one confirming point 2. I am not going to say what was in my pm. what i will say is it did say knife but not bloody. It was more descriptive of why i was forced to kill IBWT so im not bothered baout the lack of similarity.

I am the one saying hey the rules show you cannot be detective I suppose you could be the random nutjob role but your description makes you sound like the psychic
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Haha so you're saying you were forced to kill IBWT, ok mate <laugh>
 
I want a bit of a discussion.

1. valley. just say your role. theres no point not saying it.

2. what can non town mean

my view is this:

Tobes was investigated. (if valley is on the level.) If nobody else comes forward at all they are nuts. Sir tennis has already said he is innocent town again. so only tobes could claim it. anyone else and its big.

if tobes turn up non town. that means.

1. he is not innocent town
2. he is not any town role
3. that leaves mafia OR
4. cartel boss

coudl he be serial killer yet? we don't know. that is another bad guy though.

IF you believe valley then towns is #1 target
 
Swarbs said:
He is putting out a lot of info and making a lot of claims. I've never seen him make a table that detailed before, so possibly something to hide behind all that info?

Also Obi Wan's info implies that Nobby may be the town drunk, which would contradict what MITO claims.

IMO the choice is still:

1. Lynch Tobes, best case kill Pablo, worst case kill random Mafia whilst Mafia kills Valley
2. Lynch MITO, best case kill Mafia hitman, worst case kill random Mafia whilst Tobes recruits

I'd still lean towards MITO, as we can always kill Tobes tomorrow.
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Nobby should just tell us if he's the drunk when he's online again, easily solved. I think mito is scrambling but worried he might be telling the truth. I'd rather lynch a 100% guilty person (tobes) and then go for mito once we've heard from nobby... But i see your side of it too, i have no problem voting the other way around.

Mito if you are the drunk you can investigate me again tomorrow, at 2/3 chance I'll show up as innocent, very very unlikely to ome up as mafia again as that is 1/6 chance.
 
Gerrez said:
Well, if it was a big enough mind **** already... lol



If Valley is telling the truth, we lynch Mito and get the assassin.

If we lynch mito and he's innocent, we attack Valley.


If mito is telling the truth, we kill Valley and may get a goon or a townie of forced into something.


IMO, there is a risk which ever way we go but one sees the Mafia assassin potentially killed with answers if not. However, I think Valley as been forced because....




... You're not saying anything else. "I've not been forced" doesn't cut it as you've portion been told to say that. You need to say something very different to show you're not jeopardised
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I haven't been pressurised or coerced into anything. These are my findings,
 
Gerrez said:
Well, if it was a big enough mind **** already... lol



If Valley is telling the truth, we lynch Mito and get the assassin.

If we lynch mito and he's innocent, we attack Valley.


If mito is telling the truth, we kill Valley and may get a goon or a townie of forced into something.


IMO, there is a risk which ever way we go but one sees the Mafia assassin potentially killed with answers if not. However, I think Valley as been forced because....




... You're not saying anything else. "I've not been forced" doesn't cut it as you've portion been told to say that. You need to say something very different to show you're not jeopardised
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And in a total mind ****, they could all (bar Tobes) being telling the truth
 
Lucaaas said:
Even if he isn't, you let everyone think that and made him come out which means 2 of our detectives are out in the open now (if you're both telling the truth).
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This is the only thing that bothers me.

I can believe Valley is psychic and saw Tobes and MITO, and that MITO investigated Sir Tennisball. In general, the information presented on the thread is usually accurate, so unless the Mafia have some secret ability to interfere with information, like hacking the paper, we have to assume that Tobes is dodgy, MITO killed someone and Sir Tennisball is probably Mafia.

MITO's story about being forced to kill by the Mafia is more suspicious, as it is in response to being fingered himself, but ultimately still plausible if that is the Mafia's hidden power.

The big question is why our two most powerful remaining town roles have revealed themselves to the Mafia and cartel. If they are telling the truth, it's almost certain now that one of them will die or be recruited.
 
Gerrez said:
Well, if it was a big enough mind **** already... lol



If Valley is telling the truth, we lynch Mito and get the assassin.

If we lynch mito and he's innocent, we attack Valley.


If mito is telling the truth, we kill Valley and may get a goon or a townie of forced into something.


IMO, there is a risk which ever way we go but one sees the Mafia assassin potentially killed with answers if not. However, I think Valley as been forced because....




... You're not saying anything else. "I've not been forced" doesn't cut it as you've portion been told to say that. You need to say something very different to show you're not jeopardised
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sorry but I am not actually saying kill valley.

the town have the following scenario right now

12 town roles

v

3 mafia

v

1 cartel

v

1 serial killer who doesn't know it yet

right now you have two pieces of info. Tobes and sir tennisball if both me and valley are on the level. If we are both on the level you killing either of us is mad.

why? you are doing mafia work for them

if neither of us is telling truth then its nuts.

If obi wan is not mind ****ing you those who were named will come out naming stuff.

so in my view the mafia have ONE kill left. the cartel have recruits left. there is not enough power right now in either to threaten a 12 man team.

we either have 2 mafia or a mafia and cartel boss in our sights in a simple game.

therefore I'd URGE you to kill both of them off tomorrow. Kill BOTH

what would i gain as this assassin? BTW nobody has a clue is such role exists. but you do know something dodgy went on with secret posts. At best if one is innocent I.e tennis then you kill me the following day.

If you think after setting up all these games I'd pull this and end up getting **** all out if it you don't know me.

I've been forced into the open with my info.
 
Sir Tennisball said:
Nobby should just tell us if he's the drunk when he's online again, easily solved. I think mito is scrambling but worried he might be telling the truth. I'd rather lynch a 100% guilty person (tobes) and then go for mito once we've heard from nobby... But i see your side of it too, i have no problem voting the other way around.

Mito if you are the drunk you can investigate me again tomorrow, at 2/3 chance I'll show up as innocent, very very unlikely to ome up as mafia again as that is 1/6 chance.
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Has Nobby posted at all today? I wonder if there's some hidden rule that the town drunk is always too pissed to post? <laugh>

To confuse matters further, he was the one Biscan was fingering as the Cartel (His last post was "the cartel is the one who hasn't posted"

ValleyGraduate12 said:
I haven't been pressurised or coerced into anything. These are my findings,
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No one's saying you have been pressurised. But it is possible the Mafia's hidden ability is that they can feed a vision to you, like they could hack the paper. Although MITO has admitted killing Biscan, so we know that part is at least true.
 
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