Manager Watch

[John Cardew]

I don't know fella. The Press are all over the shop targeting the default names from the bookies list, The Cocu situation proves how easily odds are manipulated and how gullible the press are, didn't take you long to find out it was a hoax, Journos who can't be arsed to do 5 minutes of research to find the truth means the only Journo I'm listening to is Chris Young and he says nothing is imminent, that combined with the press and bookies being nowhere on dick until it a sure thing tells me it could be nobody on the present odds list. I'll give whoever my backing but have no preference. On the face it goes from non inspiring to unattainable with nothing in between. Out of the 'favorites' it would be McClaren but still not overly fussed.

Fence sitting with great interest mate.

Looks like Newcastle have a shortlist of Laudrup, McClaren, Garde and Vieira. 2 of them 4 to both of us would seem probable imo. I'm desperately hoping for Vieira just for the interest factor, could be a huge flop but I'd take that over the guaranteed solidity but nothing spectacular of a McClaren.

Haven't you got some hill to sit on in your poncho playing a flute to some orphans or something?

Seriously, I was just speculating mate, the kid could be a great influence in the dressing room for all I know. Obviously a fans favourite round these parts. Seems Di Canio didn't think much of him, but you could probably say that about every player under Di Canio.

Arsehole

The results at the start of last season might say differently, and I've hardly met anyone who agrees with me and they could be quite right, but I STILL think that if SAFC had fully backed Di Canio and given him total control, they'd be far better off than they are now. The way the played and the way he talked he just seemed to have so much absolutely spot on. Sacking him was the easy way out, the cycle of getting "new manager sydrome" for the last 10 games every single year has to stop some time, you would have thought.

 

[E.T. Fairfax]

Looks like Newcastle have a shortlist of Laudrup, McClaren, Garde and Vieira. 2 of them 4 to both of us would seem probable imo. I'm desperately hoping for Vieira just for the interest factor, could be a huge flop but I'd take that over the guaranteed solidity but nothing spectacular of a McClaren.

Arsehole

The results at the start of last season might say differently, and I've hardly met anyone who agrees with me and they could be quite right, but I STILL think that if SAFC had fully backed Di Canio and given him total control, they'd be far better off than they are now. The way the played and the way he talked he just seemed to have so much absolutely spot on. Sacking him was the easy way out, the cycle of getting "new manager sydrome" for the last 10 games every single year has to stop some time, you would have thought.

It was either sack Di Canio or sack the players, unfortunately.

 

[Rick O'Shea]

@Typical_Juan don't you know anything about this board You simply cannot question Lee Cattermole without expecting to be shot the **** down. It's a really weird habit of Sunderland fans yet strangely endearing.

Bang bang!

 

[John Cardew]

It was either sack Di Canio or sack the players, unfortunately.

I'd have gone with the players. Expensive yes but in the long run...

 

[Rick O'Shea]

I'd have gone with the players. Expensive yes but in the long run...

A lot of people keep saying things along the lines of 'PDC was right but went about it wrong', so you might find a lot agree (I do to a degree).

 

[E.T. Fairfax]

I'd have gone with the players. Expensive yes but in the long run...

Wish that could have been an option, but if we could have sacked the players we would have went down! We sacked Di Canio and fortunately lived to fight another day. Players hold all of the cards nowadays.

 

[John Cardew]

A lot of people keep saying things along the lines of 'PDC was right but went about it wrong', so you might find a lot agree (I do to a degree).

Never seen that myself but fair enough, I think he'll do a good job somewhere.

Wish that could have been an option, but if we could have sacked the players we would have went down! We sacked Di Canio and fortunately lived to fight another day. Players hold all of the cards nowadays.

Why would you have gone down? That summer was the perfect chance to sell the ones he wanted rid of, (or at least take them away from the first team) and buy the players he asked for to build his squad. Instead, he was told to make do with what he had and another heap of players on top of that who he didn't want. It was madness in my opinion.

 

[Disco down under]

Never seen that myself but fair enough, I think he'll do a good job somewhere.

I think nearly everyone felt that way. He had the right ideas but he had the diplomacy of the ebola virus. In the end he did have to go. Had he been able to implement his ideas we'd have a fitter and more professional squad but that was never going to happen. Him being the mad bastard that he was.

 

[Brian Storm]

Never seen that myself but fair enough, I think he'll do a good job somewhere.

Why would you have gone down? That summer was the perfect chance to sell the ones he wanted rid of, (or at least take them away from the first team) and buy the players he asked for to build his squad. Instead, he was told to make do with what he had and another heap of players on top of that who he didn't want. It was madness in my opinion.

You can't sell **** players nobody wants when the player is on an over inflated contract that no club will match giving them no incentive to move. Why do you think Danny Graham is still with us.

 

[clockstander]

Sean Dyche impressed me last season and we could do worse.

 

[Bexinio]

Di Canio was a disaster waiting to happen. You can't have his attitude and be a manager especially not these days. The more that season went on the worse it would of got. Di Canio needed to go. Gus tried and I honestly felt he gave it everything but was again naive especially tactically, I wish it had worked because he had a nice personality balance between a PDC and a normal human being with the occasional crazy statement. But he just didn't have it and to prove it a pensioner came in and got about the same points after less half the games as Gus had in the season. I don't think it's an age thing though although experience helps certainly, you just either have it or don't. Dick didn't pull up trees when he got here but he changed a few things (a few simple things) and instantly we were not world beaters but at least we gave ourselves a chance in games. I wouldn't havea clue who to go with, Big Sam wwouldn't be popular but he has averaged 10th in his premiership career and by eck that sounds good right now.

 

[Rick O'Shea]

I preferred PDC to Gus.

 

[John Cardew]

You can't sell **** players nobody wants when the player is on an over inflated contract that no club will match giving them no incentive to move. Why do you think Danny Graham is still with us.

Which is why I said remove them from the first team picture. Hell, send them out on loan and offer to pay 80% wages.

 

[Smug in Boots]

Which is why I said remove them from the first team picture. Hell, send them out on loan and offer to pay 80% wages.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...e-United-have-not-pursued-Patrick-Vieira.html

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[Disco down under]

Which is why I said remove them from the first team picture. Hell, send them out on loan and offer to pay 80% wages.

And bankrupt the club in the process?

 

[Disco down under]

I preferred PDC to Gus.

Me too. By a distance.

 

[John Cardew]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...e-United-have-not-pursued-Patrick-Vieira.html

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The telegraph have been twisting about the Vieira news ever since sky broke it because it contradicted their article about an hour previously that NUFC were "set to offer McClaren a 3rd chance to accept them". They won't admit SS were right until they have to, even if they know they are.

And bankrupt the club in the process?

Don't agree with that at all, 14 players were added that summer, surely it would have been no different to allow PDC 6 or 7 of his own signings. Also think of the severance fees you've paid in managers, long term I just don't see any major financial debate one way or the other.

 

[dansafcman]

Never seen that myself but fair enough, I think he'll do a good job somewhere.

Why would you have gone down? That summer was the perfect chance to sell the ones he wanted rid of, (or at least take them away from the first team) and buy the players he asked for to build his squad. Instead, he was told to make do with what he had and another heap of players on top of that who he didn't want. It was madness in my opinion.

There is absolutely no evidence that keeping Di Canio and sacking the players would have left us better off. PDC had some good ideas but couldnt pull it off due to the fact he is a complete and utter nutter. He froze Catts out of the 1st team completely, no chance for redemption, even though Catts is one the best DM this side of the premier league table (and one of the best in the entire league imo). That cost PDC big time, but PDC pride means he made everything personal so he couldnt bring himself to allow Catts back into the team. Managers need to be professional, but PDC was like a little boy. Something goes right its cos he is the best, something goes wrong and its everyone else fault but his own. disagree with someone, refuse to work with them.

Don't agree with that at all, 14 players were added that summer, surely it would have been no different to allow PDC 6 or 7 of his own signings. Also think of the severance fees you've paid in managers, long term I just don't see any major financial debate one way or the other.

PDC said when he took the job that he had a say on the signings, when it all went to **** he said he didnt - but then it couldnt have been his fault could it ?

 

[Smug in Boots]

The telegraph have been twisting about the Vieira news ever since sky broke it because it contradicted their article about an hour previously that NUFC were "set to offer McClaren a 3rd chance to accept them".

They won't admit SS were right until they have to, even if they know they are.

So Viera is going to SJP

 

[Brian Storm]

Which is why I said remove them from the first team picture. Hell, send them out on loan and offer to pay 80% wages.

Aye I know but our wages have been a problem as it is, we don't know who the trouble makers were at the time but if it had been a few we wouldn't been able to afford to bring in replacements.