please log in to view this image 22 May 2015Last updated at 23:20 3.8K Share Facebook Twitter print Relegation battle: Can Hull repeat escape at Newcastle's expense? By James McMathBBC Sport Premier League final day on the BBC Comprehensive coverage of the last day of the top-flight season across online, radio and TV, including: live texts of all 10 matches on the BBC Sport website; Radio 5 live commentary of Hull City v Manchester Utd plus updates from across the Premier League's other games A little under six years ago, Phil Brown burst into song to celebrate Hull City's relegation escape at the expense of Newcastle United. The Tigers stayed up despite a home defeat by Manchester United on the final day of the 2008-09 season and Brown, then the manager, took to the pitch to treat supporters with his version of the Beach Boys' Sloop John B. Now, under Steve Bruce, Hull's fate will again be decided when the Red Devils visit, but this time they need a win - and must hope thatNewcastle to fail to beat West Ham. Will the final whistle be music to Bruce's ears, or will John Carver's Magpies finally be on song? please log in to view this image Permutations Third-bottom Hull are two points behind Newcastle but the Tigers have a superior goal difference. That means no less than a win on Sunday will suffice. With fourth place all but certain, Louis van Gaal's visitors have little to play for but Bruce knows just how tough beating United can be. Play media Jump media player Media player help Out of media player. Press enter to return or tab to continue. Steve Bruce's thoughts before relegation clash In 21 attempts during 17 seasons as a manager, the former Red Devils captain has never won a match against the club he served as a player for nine seasons. If Hull win, Newcastle will realistically also need three points - otherwise they will go down just like in 2009. They face a West Ham side managed by former Newcastle boss Sam Allardyce, who is a close friend of Bruce's. Bruce might not thank his pal, though, if West Ham perform like they are already on their summer break, particularly after reportsthat some Hammers players were allowed to miss training for most of the week. Recent results Good form has evaded both Hull and Newcastle at exactly the wrong time of the season but, of the two managers, Bruce has more cause for optimism. Hull have lost their last three - including a damaging defeat against relegated Burnley - but that sequence came after wins over Crystal Palace and Liverpool. Newcastle have lost nine of their last 10 matches, the other being a draw. They have won just two fixtures since Carver took over as manager and one of them was the 3-0 win over Hull on 31 January that could prove to be the difference between survival and relegation. please log in to view this image Hull have won eight of 37 Premier League matches under Steve Bruce this season, while Newcastle have won two in 18 under John Carver Managers' motivations Bruce took charge of Hull in 2012 and guided them to promotion in his first season. Hull have never spent three consecutive seasons in the top-flight in their 111-year history. Bruce said: "It's gone down to the wire. We are up against it but we have still got a chance and have to believe we have a chance. "First of all we have to beat Manchester United, which is never easy. But there have been some strange results this season and we hope we can pull it off and get a favour from elsewhere. "Let's hope there is one final twist because not a lot has gone our way over the past couple of months." Newcastle's relegation in 2009 was sealed with defeat by Aston Villa in the final fixture of the campaign. Carver said he considered reminding his players of that day but opted against it. Carver said: "I thought about showing them the fans after the Aston Villa game, but I decided against it because I think if you can't motivate yourself for a game as big as this when you've got so much to play for, then no matter what I show you, it's not going to make any difference." Instead, assistant coach Steve Stone opened a door during a team meeting and boss Carver told people to walk through if they "didn't fancy it". What would relegation mean? Relegation from the Premier League hits clubs hard, not least financially. Play media Jump media player Media player help Out of media player. Press enter to return or tab to continue. Biggest game for six years - Carver The cost of dropping from the top flight is estimated to be between £40m and £50m and no one will rue that more than the clubs' owners. Both Newcastle's Mike Ashley and Hull's Assem Allam have endured fractious relationships with sections of the club's support and relegation would do little to improve those dynamics. Billionaire retailer Ashley took a controlling share in Newcastle in 2007 and, despite facing increasing opposition from supporters since then, he said in September that he does not intend to sell the club. Allam was the toast of Hull fans in 2010 when he saved the club from the threat of administration, but sections of supporters no longer want the 75-year-old industrialist involved. The main source of their ire is Allam's controversial idea to change the club's playing name to "Hull Tigers". Allam, who has approved about £42m of player purchases this season, says he is willing to sell Hullafter protests against his plans. please log in to view this image Mike Ashley has endured a turbulent relationship with supporters since taking control of Newcastle in 2007 Who do the pundits think will survive? BBC Sport columnist Robbie Savage, who played under Bruce at Birmingham City, believes Hull have missed their chance of avoiding relegation. Savage said: "It looks like the situation got to the Hull players, despite Bruce's best efforts. They would have known that Burnley was a must-win game with two such tough opponents to come. "You have to think now that they have missed their chance of staying up." BBC Sport pundit Mark Lawrenson: "Newcastle need to win to guarantee they will stay up. I don't see that happening but I think they will stay up because Hull won't beat Manchester United." Lawro predicts 1-1 draws in both games, but who do you think will go down? Have a go at our predictor game here Former Republic of Ireland midfielder Kevin Kilbane was part of the Hull team that stayed up on the last day of the 2008-2009 season. He believes his former club are in a better position than Newcastle going into Sunday's games. Kilbane told the Guardian: "Looking back and looking at Hull's fixtures I'd prefer to be in Hull's position, because you have to win the match regardless of what happens elsewhere." And if all else fails... ring Uri Geller The famous spoon-bender told the Newcastle Chronicle that he could repeat his feat of 2001 when he took the credit for ending Newcastle's London hoodoo. "I would only need two or three minutes with the players to get the adrenaline going and to motivate them. If Carver invites me that would have much more of a positive effect than anything else."
Seen a few lads looking for a two in one stream. more then likely it will be on the Hull stream. Im looking thru my tv guide albeit a bit drunk and i think i see 'ull twice. Once on NBC sports and again on NBC , so my bet would be NBC sports. If i remember ill check in the morning
Carver man, just shut up ....... the man has a mouth like a runaway JCB, how deep a hole can he dig "John Carver maintains most managers go entire careers without contending with the myriad challenges that have confronted him during five bruising months in charge of Newcastle. I don’t think any other manager would have had to deal with everything I’ve had to deal with in their whole career,” he said. “And certainly not in five months.” Am I missing something here, he's caused most of the problems himself Why are the media trotting out this shyte, Newcastle were safe in midtable when this lunatic took over. What are these 'myriad challenges' .......... playing games against other football teams????? I used to laugh at his interviews but he's starting to make NE people look like imbeciles, just shut up. There have been rifts with key players and it is clear Carver does not entirely trust certain senior professionals. “I will prepare the players as best I can but once they cross the line it’s out of my hands,” he said. “Steve Bruce says the worst part of the manager’s job is that 90 minutes during the game and he’s right. It’s out of your control. But I’ve got something up my sleeve for my team talk.” Yes John, that's very clever but I don't believe you're entitled to use a whip on employees any more you fat mess http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/may/23/newcastle-john-carver-abuse-grim
Would that be a simlar one to what he said he had for the derby? The one that would put an end to Newcastle's derby defeats?
The difference is even bigger than it looks there, mate. Welbeck was a loanee who played that day because Bent was injured ! Jesus, I wish we'd had an Advocaat in charge of that team. The atmosphere he seems to have created throughout this club (witness the Arsenal press room scene) I reckon we'd have kept Gyan, Bent, and signed Onouha (I don't think there was any chance of Fergie letting Welbeck go at that time). He's changed a job into a pleasure, and it matters.
No bets on these games. But......H'pool made a great escape; same us Catts ! Can M'bro do it? Can NE1 do it. Would like so. Could be a thrilling coincidence????? On 9pm here.....zzzzz's for now. (Think, tho', Hool down).
Is there a China Crisis link to your username? BTW, I came across this by some weird coincidence and, in view of Newcastle's possible relegation, it made me laugh. No idea why, it just did ........ http://www.southtyneside.gov.uk/art...distressing-to-see-the-coffin-go-down-so-deep
"I have a a very cunning plan".(Black and White Adder 2015). PS..D (Doon) Day had arrived..Isn't it bloody great being able to relax and enjoy it...
Carver is part of the reason why people are starting to think NE inhabitants are loud-mouthed, lumbering oafs who are always 'asking people outside'. As someone who's the complete opposite I find this quite offensive......... ......... I really feel he should be kept as far away from social media as possible
