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Dont agree. I think Lucas is decent but as I say, can be improved on because he doesn't offer as much on the ball as a lot of others in that position. Gone are the days where you can get a DM to win the ball then just pass sidewards to let someone else take over, they are expected to be able to bring the ball forward and make incisive passes as well

Not sure there ever was a day when a top DM was just expected to get the ball and pass it on. Makelele and Mascherano, two of the best modern day DMs (not that a true DM existed prior to that but we did have the Paul Ince, David Batty types as CMs in a 442) and both were much more than that.
 
So astro, where do you think the problem lies? You don't think its Rodgers who you think is a fantastic manager (I think he's overrated, has no strategy, hasn't really developed a philosophy and has been buying poorly). You don't think its your keeper (i agree he's not the main problem). You don't think it's your defenders (i think you only have 1 decent defender in sahko). You think Allen is a solid dm (he's average and no where near top 4) and you think you have the next best things since sliced bread in Ibe, Coutinho (not sterling anymore), henderson, Can and Sturridge.

The more you convince everyone they are wrong when they criticise anything Liverpool, the more you sound like UIR who likes to paper over anything united

Clearly, we lack strikers :) <whistle> :bandit:
 
If people were more interested in [HASHTAG]#reality[/HASHTAG] they would understand Allen does this role very well for us
Allen doesn't read the game particuarly well, nor does he cover well, nor is he strong in the challenge.

All he does effectively is re-circulating the ball and retaining possession, hence the reason he's a nothing player in the main.
 
I have a feeling that the owners will see what Rodgers plans are and who he wants to sign, if he is insistant on targets like Ings other than looking for real quality I think he'll be gone.
 
I have a feeling that the owners will see what Rodgers plans are and who he wants to sign, if he is insistant on targets like Ings other than looking for real quality I think he'll be gone.

I dunno.

I feel as though that should ALL be done by now. I feel the depay stuff shows the same old stuff is occuring.

We should have been straight in with bid there. I don't beleive the crap out of rodgers abuot never being in. the direct word for PSV was we were and the guy involved had no reason to say so after did he?
 
I am sorry but Lucas' problem is not one of ability but one of fitness. It is such a travesty he did his ACL and ever since he has not been able to stay fit consistently. Case in point this season is we had picked some form with Lucas and then he was dropped in the away game at OT where united rinsed us easily. Then Lucas came back we went on a 13 game unbeaten run only for Lucas to miss the game at Anfield vs United via injury and again we lost.

He also requires 2 games to regain fitness and by then if the next game is tough he is a liability. Again I repeat his biggest issue is fitness not ability.

totally true this stuff.. prior to injury he used physicality to compete. totally true this stuff but it wasn't all lucas it was a whole gorup of things including belief.
 
Allen doesn't read the game particuarly well, nor does he cover well, nor is he strong in the challenge.

All he does effectively is re-circulating the ball and retaining possession, hence the reason he's a nothing player in the main.

He does work hard but that's all i'm willing to give above and beyond what you've said tobes. the lad's a trier...
 
I dunno.

I feel as though that should ALL be done by now. I feel the depay stuff shows the same old stuff is occuring.

We should have been straight in with bid there. I don't beleive the crap out of rodgers abuot never being in. the direct word for PSV was we were and the guy involved had no reason to say so after did he?

I wish people would forget the Depay stuff, he was never going to join anyone but Man Utd. I think that would have been the case even if we'd manage to beat them to fourth!
 
Not sure there ever was a day when a top DM was just expected to get the ball and pass it on. Makelele and Mascherano, two of the best modern day DMs (not that a true DM existed prior to that but we did have the Paul Ince, David Batty types as CMs in a 442) and both were much more than that.

ermmmm john ****ing jenson, makelele, deschamps... "water carriers"

Those others you name are enforcers.

DM is as i've said before an pilloried for it is an anachronism. Purely destructive players are a nonsense. Ive said this and you lot argued the point time and again.

I've said before.. henderson could play it and so can Can... its all about attitude.
 
He does work hard but that's all i'm willing to give above and beyond what you've said tobes. the lad's a trier...
You're right, he's an honest pro, nothing against the lad and it wasn't his fault Rodgers paid £15m for him. He'd do an honest job playing every week in an average PL side, that's all he is and ever will be.
 
You're right, he's an honest pro, nothing against the lad and it wasn't his fault Rodgers paid £15m for him. He'd do an honest job playing every week in an average PL side, that's all he is and ever will be.

exactly. totally agree. Thats fine when LFC are playing lower half teams and get the space. the minute we play top 6 teams he is blown off the park, especially when he's depended upon to do most of the work cos others won't.
 
ermmmm john ****ing jenson, makelele, deschamps... "water carriers"

Those others you name are enforcers.

DM is as i've said before an pilloried for it is an anachronism. Purely destructive players are a nonsense. Ive said this and you lot argued the point time and again.

I've said before.. henderson could play it and so can Can... its all about attitude.

I don't believe they were. They were very good enforcers but they offered more than just destruction. Mascherano was the catalyst for a lot of counter attacking goals for us for example. He was always the most advanced player when we were defending a set piece because he had plenty of pace and was brilliant at pressing the opposition which meant if he didn't get on the end of the clearance, he was able to give us a excellent chance of regaining possession quickly. He often started the counter attack as a result.
 
I don't believe they were. They were very good enforcers but they offered more than just destruction. Mascherano was the catalyst for a lot of counter attacking goals for us for example. He was always the most advanced player when we were defending a set piece because he had plenty of pace and was brilliant at pressing the opposition which meant if he didn't get on the end of the clearance, he was able to give us a excellent chance of regaining possession quickly. He often started the counter attack as a result.

Ince was a thug.

unlike Barca Rafa didn't consider masch tall enough to stick in the box so thats why he was more advanced to block on edge. he was a good runner no question, lots of energy.. and 4 red cards in last season showed why I'd rather an alonso any day <ok> no disrecpect to maschernao who was excellent while he was here and really allowed us to free gerrard.
 
Ince was a thug.

unlike Barca Rafa didn't consider masch tall enough to stick in the box so thats why he was more advanced to block on edge. he was a good runner no question, lots of energy.. and 4 red cards in last season showed why I'd rather an alonso any day <ok> no disrecpect to maschernao who was excellent while he was here and really allowed us to free gerrard.

I was never using Ince or Batty as a example, I said those players were never considered DMs, they were one of two CMs in a 442 so they were always expected to do more.
 
Back when 4-4-2 was the way virtually every British club played the term DM was never spoken. The standard midfield pairing was a more combative tackler paired with a more cultured passer, that was it.

When we started bringing in continental formations and playing with a midfield diamond, the DM sat at the base and was not merely a tackler, he was an accurate passer of the ball - something that couldn't always be said for some of the midfield battlers that we had in the 4-4-2 days (when tackling was allowed ffs).

Now clubs generally play with 2 holding midfielders, they often make the mistake of having 2 defensive minded players in there, as opposed to having a more expanisve player next to a 'water carrier'.

Personally I'm not a massive fan of the system, as despite having 2 holding players, you can still be undone defensively when both your full backs are pushed on. The old skool way of full backs operating like a pair of mittens on a string is the way I like to see sides play i.e. if one pushes on the other stays at home.
 
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Back when 4-4-2 was the way virtually every British club played the term DM was never spoken. The standard midfield pairing was a more combative tackler paired with a more cultured passer, that was it.

When we started bringing in continental formations and playing with a midfield diamond, the DM sat at the base and was not merely a tackler, he was an accurate passer of the ball - something that couldn't always be said for some of the midfield battlers that we had in the 4-4-2 days (when tackling was allowed ffs).

Now clubs generally play with 2 holding midfielders, they often make the mistake of having 2 defensive minded players in there, as opposed to having a more expanisve player next to a 'water carrier'.

Personally I'm not a massive fan of the system, as despite having 2 holding players, you can still be undone defensively when both your full backs are pushed on. The old skool way of full backs operating like a pair of mittens on a string is the way I like to see sides play i.e. if one pushes on the other stays at home.

very true

all partnerships... I go you stay and vice versa and one was usually a kicker.. hell souness was archetypal .

One person i'd identify as a classic continental player was paul scholes. he really sat back there and made utd tick as his career went on.

On full backs... you must have loved Rafa then ;) thats how he liked his full backs.