Not sure there ever was a day when a top DM was just expected to get the ball and pass it on. Makelele and Mascherano, two of the best modern day DMs (not that a true DM existed prior to that but we did have the Paul Ince, David Batty types as CMs in a 442) and both were much more than that.
In other news, for some reason odds on Klopp going to us have been slashed. We're now second favorites behind Real, even though he's in discussions with Fenerbache. http://www.oddschecker.com/football/football-specials/jurgen-klopp/next-job
Allen doesn't read the game particuarly well, nor does he cover well, nor is he strong in the challenge. All he does effectively is re-circulating the ball and retaining possession, hence the reason he's a nothing player in the main.
I have a feeling that the owners will see what Rodgers plans are and who he wants to sign, if he is insistant on targets like Ings other than looking for real quality I think he'll be gone.
I dunno. I feel as though that should ALL be done by now. I feel the depay stuff shows the same old stuff is occuring. We should have been straight in with bid there. I don't beleive the crap out of rodgers abuot never being in. the direct word for PSV was we were and the guy involved had no reason to say so after did he?
totally true this stuff.. prior to injury he used physicality to compete. totally true this stuff but it wasn't all lucas it was a whole gorup of things including belief.
He does work hard but that's all i'm willing to give above and beyond what you've said tobes. the lad's a trier...
I wish people would forget the Depay stuff, he was never going to join anyone but Man Utd. I think that would have been the case even if we'd manage to beat them to fourth!
ermmmm john ****ing jenson, makelele, deschamps... "water carriers" Those others you name are enforcers. DM is as i've said before an pilloried for it is an anachronism. Purely destructive players are a nonsense. Ive said this and you lot argued the point time and again. I've said before.. henderson could play it and so can Can... its all about attitude.
You're right, he's an honest pro, nothing against the lad and it wasn't his fault Rodgers paid £15m for him. He'd do an honest job playing every week in an average PL side, that's all he is and ever will be.
exactly. totally agree. Thats fine when LFC are playing lower half teams and get the space. the minute we play top 6 teams he is blown off the park, especially when he's depended upon to do most of the work cos others won't.
I don't believe they were. They were very good enforcers but they offered more than just destruction. Mascherano was the catalyst for a lot of counter attacking goals for us for example. He was always the most advanced player when we were defending a set piece because he had plenty of pace and was brilliant at pressing the opposition which meant if he didn't get on the end of the clearance, he was able to give us a excellent chance of regaining possession quickly. He often started the counter attack as a result.
Ince was a thug. unlike Barca Rafa didn't consider masch tall enough to stick in the box so thats why he was more advanced to block on edge. he was a good runner no question, lots of energy.. and 4 red cards in last season showed why I'd rather an alonso any day no disrecpect to maschernao who was excellent while he was here and really allowed us to free gerrard.
I thought someone would spot that The ****ing MD is against lunchtime drinking bar one day a month. #darkages
I was never using Ince or Batty as a example, I said those players were never considered DMs, they were one of two CMs in a 442 so they were always expected to do more.
Back when 4-4-2 was the way virtually every British club played the term DM was never spoken. The standard midfield pairing was a more combative tackler paired with a more cultured passer, that was it. When we started bringing in continental formations and playing with a midfield diamond, the DM sat at the base and was not merely a tackler, he was an accurate passer of the ball - something that couldn't always be said for some of the midfield battlers that we had in the 4-4-2 days (when tackling was allowed ffs). Now clubs generally play with 2 holding midfielders, they often make the mistake of having 2 defensive minded players in there, as opposed to having a more expanisve player next to a 'water carrier'. Personally I'm not a massive fan of the system, as despite having 2 holding players, you can still be undone defensively when both your full backs are pushed on. The old skool way of full backs operating like a pair of mittens on a string is the way I like to see sides play i.e. if one pushes on the other stays at home.
very true all partnerships... I go you stay and vice versa and one was usually a kicker.. hell souness was archetypal . One person i'd identify as a classic continental player was paul scholes. he really sat back there and made utd tick as his career went on. On full backs... you must have loved Rafa then thats how he liked his full backs.
