Off Topic Why you MUST vote Tory!

[Big Ern]

As long as we stick up for the bankers then eh?

If you're old enough to remember the 70's you should know bloody better

lol, like Labour did you mean, when they pretty much bankrupted the country and caused all the **** we've been trying to get out of for the last 5 years? And yes, I do remember the 70's with Callahan in charge, everyone was broke, and the country was ruled by a small unelected band of Union leaders who completely destroyed our industry by making it uncompetitive.

 

[Tony_Munky_Canary]

[QUOTE="Miggins, post: 7906727, member: 1002699"]lol, like Labour did you mean, when they pretty much bankrupted the country and caused all the **** we've been trying to get out of for the last 5 years? And yes, I do remember the 70's with Callahan in charge, everyone was broke, and the country was ruled by a small unelected band of Union leaders who completely destroyed our industry by making it uncompetitive.[/QUOTE]

Right, so you are one of those idiots who swallowed all that bullshit then. Shame on you

 

[Big Ern]

yes, because I don't belive Camerons actions post 2010 had anythign to do with what happened in 2008, or the decisions made by labour since 1996.

And yes, the unions DID destroy our industry, whether you belive it or not I couldn't give a ****.Costs went up, productivity and quality went down, and no one wanted to buy our poorly made out-dated ****.

 

[JKCanary]

This was also the worst result for green policies.

Indeed.

Subsidies scrapped for new onshore wind farms (the cheapest form of low-carbon energy), contradicting the Tory’s pledge to support renewables that “represent value for money”.

Fossil fuels will get wholehearted backing from the Conservatives, with fracking for shale gas a priority and further help for the struggling North Sea oil and gas fields, which saw record investment in the last government.

Tory aversion to building regulations will mean homes will be less energy efficient.

Many of the pollution protections that defend the UK’s environment come from EU directives: what happens to them if the UK leaves the EU, or negotiates a new deal with the EU? What happens to the farmers who currently receive billions a year in EU subsidies? The EU ban on neonicotinoid pesticides for example, strongly linked to harm in bees, was opposed by the Conservatives.

Funding for flood defences (relevant for Norfolk residents) have already been judged inadequate against the increasing risks by the government’s own climate change advisors.

 

[Big Ern]

Subsidies scrapped for new onshore wind farms (the cheapest form of low-carbon energy),

I almost I pissed my pants laughing at that, wind energy is one of the least efficient and the most expensive forms of renewable energy available in the UK.

 

[JKCanary]

I almost I pissed my pants laughing at that, wind energy is one of the least efficient and the most expensive forms of renewable energy available in the UK.

I'm sure you've read plenty into life-cycle of renewables, Miggins.

 

[Tony_Munky_Canary]

I'm sure you've read plenty into life-cycle of renewables, Miggins.

No, he just laps up the propaganda bullshit for the masses like the rest of them

 

[Big Ern]

I have, people have been trying to get me into the renewable energy industry for the last 3 years. Wind farms are **** and will probably never pay off their investment, and that's without the constant need for maintainence and repair.

 

[JKCanary]

I have, people have been trying to get me into the renewable energy industry for the last 3 years. Wind farms are **** and will probably never pay off their investment, and that's without the constant need for maintainence and repair.

I was hoping you'd make a reply along those lines.

Onshore wind industry adds £906 million a year to UK economy (29 April 2015)
http://www.renewableuk.com/en/news/...ndustry-adds-906-million-a-year-to-uk-economy

 

[Big Ern]

Thankyou for your comment which totally ignores the £66b outlay

so some simple maths for you

£66,000,000,000
-£ 906,000,000

now how long will it take? considering that wind turbines have a maximum life expectancy of 25 years.
and this is without the cost of repairing or replacing them when the wind gets 'dangerously high' and breaks them (dangerous oscillations occuring when wind speeds reach over 55mph as CFD isn't close to being perfected enough to sort out that major design flaw)

 

[ColkOfTheBarclay]

I was hoping you'd make a reply along those lines.

Onshore wind industry adds £906 million a year to UK economy (29 April 2015)
http://www.renewableuk.com/en/news/...ndustry-adds-906-million-a-year-to-uk-economy

I think this election has proved that the majority don't care about facts JK. They just want the easy answer that conforms to their already held opinions.

Leading scientists have been saying for the past 40 years that global warming is real and getting harder to prevent every year we ignore it and it's only now that it has become even a remotely main stream idea. Why would we want to protect the planet we live on when we can have bigger cars and more money. The more I think about this the more I think the UK is screwed for the foreseeable future.

I hope I can get through Uni now and move somewhere else as soon as possible.

 

[KIO]

yes, because I don't belive Camerons actions post 2010 had anythign to do with what happened in 2008, or the decisions made by labour since 1996.

And yes, the unions DID destroy our industry, whether you belive it or not I couldn't give a ****.Costs went up, productivity and quality went down, and no one wanted to buy our poorly made out-dated ****.

...and some ! What the Labour Goverments of the time let happen to our motorcycle and car industries was nothing short of criminal. Giving in to the trade unions time after time when they would go on strike what seemed like every other week ! Demanding more and more all the time while the cars and bikes that were coming off the production lines were ****ing dreadful. You'll never see Mike and Ed on Wheeler Dealers restore any car from that era they all 'died' years ago and are best forgotten. Nearly every motorcylcle made in the world was made in Britain but the industry became complacent. When the first plagiarized Japanese bikes appeared in the 60s they were scoffed at, but the Japanese improved on their engine designs and build quality to become the world leaders that they are today. However that can't be blamed entirely on any government it was all down to poor management and arrogance.

Remember British Leyland ? The Austin Allegro? Marina? Even the Jaguars that were being churned out at the time were pants ! Britain's manufacturing industry was the laughing stock of Europe back then and it is only now that we can once again be proud of what is made in the UK. Shame every ****ing company is bloody foreign owned though

 

[Big Ern]

lol,

I think this election has proved that the majority don't care about facts JK. They just want the easy answer that conforms to their already held opinions.

Leading scientists have been saying for the past 40 years that global warming is real and getting harder to prevent every year we ignore it and it's only now that it has become even a remotely main stream idea. Why would we want to protect the planet we live on when we can have bigger cars and more money. The more I think about this the more I think the UK is screwed for the foreseeable future.

I hope I can get through Uni now and move somewhere else as soon as possible.

do you know how much carbon is used to make each one of those useless wind turbines? ****ing hell, the utter ignorance of some peoples arguments just astounds me. Do you think they come out of the ground already made?
you want to save the planet, then you have to go nuclear, or stop using cars and electricity.

...and some ! What the Labour Goverments of the time let happen to our motorcycle and car industries was nothing short of criminal. Giving in to the trade unions time after time when they would go on strike what seemed like every other week ! Demanding more and more all the time while the cars and bikes that were coming off the production lines were ****ing dreadful. You'll never see Mike and Ed on Wheeler Dealers restore any car from that era they all 'died' years ago and are best forgotten. Nearly every motorcylcle made in the world was made in Britain but the industry became complacent. When the first plagiarized Japanese bikes appeared in the 60s they were scoffed at, but the Japanese improved on their engine designs and build quality to become the world leaders that they are today. However that can't be blamed entirely on any government it was all down to poor management and arrogance.

Remember British Leyland ? The Austin Allegro? Marina? Even the Jaguars that were being churned out at the time were pants ! Britain's manufacturing industry was the laughing stock of Europe back then and it is only now that we can once again be proud of what is made in the UK. Shame every ****ing company is bloody foreign owned though

That is EXACTLY how I remember it, and everything was a dingy green, brown, beige or grey.

 

[1950canary]

Miggins - Can I put this as tactfully and nicely as I can. You are not one of us, you are not welcome on here, you are best described as a lying misinformed right wing twat and as such f**k off and do one before I feel it necessary to be rude to you.

 

[KIO]

Miggins - Can I put this as tactfully and nicely as I can. You are not one of us, you are not welcome on here, you are best described as a lying misinformed right wing twat and as such f**k off and do one before I feel it necessary to be rude to you.

May I remind you 1950 notwithstanding that this is a free forum and everyone's entitled to their own views and opinions in a democracy, just because you don't agree there's no need to be so vulgar and aggressive. The people have voted so deal with it and just be thankful we don't have a fairer electoral system otherwise you could have woken up to quite a few UKiP MPs this morning.

 

[1950canary]

May I remind you 1950 notwithstanding that this is a free forum and everyone's entitled to their own views and opinions in a democracy, just because you don't agree there's no need to be so vulgar and aggressive. The people have voted so deal with it and just be thankful we don't have a fairer electoral system otherwise you could have woken up to quite a few UKiP MPs this morning.

I'll remind you of your sermon the next time you have a dispute with our friends down the road.By the way the people had a chance to change the ' unfair electoral system' 4 years ago and voted to retain the status quo. Another case of being ' entitled to their own views and opinions in a democracy'

 

[Tony_Munky_Canary]

yes, because I don't belive Camerons actions post 2010 had anythign to do with what happened in 2008, or the decisions made by labour since 1996.

And yes, the unions DID destroy our industry, whether you belive it or not I couldn't give a ****.Costs went up, productivity and quality went down, and no one wanted to buy our poorly made out-dated ****.

What does that even mean? And you do know that the Tories supported every single spending program right up until the GLOBAL financial meltdown in 2008 don't you?
Those lying two faced scumbags who try to blame everything on Gordon Brown would have spent the same, if not more during that period. Are you aware of this?

The same Tories that borrowed more in the last five years than every previous Labour chancellor in history, you do know that as well do you?

The same Tories that would have invaded Iraq in 2003 (supported by IDS and dodgy Dave Cameron) and invaded Syria in 2013, though still want to harp on about the war mongering of Tony Blair - you are aware of that as well yeah?

The same Tories that have overseen a massive increase in net immigration, despite the promises in the last election.

The same Tories who's policy it was to increase tuition fees to £9k a year in 2010, though cleverly and snidely allowing the LibDems to take the hit.

Are you aware of these facts and choose to ignore them, or would you rather just be one of the sheep that believe the propaganda spin bullshit we've been few constantly for the past five years?

 

[KIO]

I'll remind you of your sermon the next time you have a dispute with our friends down the road.By the way the people had a chance to change the ' unfair electoral system' 4 years ago and voted to retain the status quo. Another case of being ' entitled to their own views and opinions in a democracy'

Not sure I get what you mean about a 'dispute with our friends down the road'? I banter with them if that's what you mean but other than that I get on with most of them other than Spanish who's an absolute knob. I do however agree with the second part of your post.

 

[Norfolkbhoy]

I think it's fair to say that not everyone who voted Conservative is an elitist chinless wonder who cares only about themselves and their class to the detriment of the rest of the world and not everyone who voted Labour is a Stalinist wanting a return to the 1970's and hand power back to the Union's. Truth is we're pretty much all somewhere in the middle.

It is easy to Cherry-pick arguments from history on either side of the argument and forget the errors that your own side have made. Neither of the big parties can look back on the post 1960's with any sense of smug achievement - both have done some pretty impressive things but also made some grave errors.

The results are in and we are where we are. Some people are happy, other not. Can't see the point of people getting so angry that their screens are being hit with spittle as they type bile out against one and other. This thread is turning from an interesting debate into something unpleasant which is all very unnecessary. It is a football forum which is enlivened by posters of all persuasions posting on a wide variety of topics. Can we all try to pull our necks in a little bit. Best leave some fuel in the tank for tomorrows match.

 

[Cruyff's Turn]

To paraphrase Bill Shankly politics isn't a matter of life and death,it's far more important that that. I can understand 1950's position. For people who are old and not wealthy,sick or unemployed,or even in one of the Tory Mcjobs forced to work long hours in unpleasant conditions to make others wealthy this is a massive kick in the teeth. I'm personally ok,I can take my chips from the table and walk away,most can't do that and I feel for them. This is a sad day for millions. Now I put my faith in The Scots to take the fight to Cameron and his bullying boys.