If he changes his plea to guilty(presumingly he's denied aspects of the charge), the next stop after mags will be the crown court for sentencing. The trial section is skipped.
We'll wait until he's found guilty. No good sacking him on the off chance he does get off. Once he's found guilty, I don't see how he couldn't be, we'll get shot. I'd love to think he didn't do it but it all stinks.
I wasn't sure on the technicalities of the term but you seem sure. I'd imagine your sponsors are telling your club to sack him.
Club isn't making a statement until tomorrow I'd have repaired for this knowing full well that it was a possibility and have got my statement out before the tea time nationals
That`s the bit that bothers me. If grooming includes `chatting up` then there is nothing to say she didn`t look, say 17/18? If, as you say, he knew her age then that, for me, puts culpability beyond doubt and he deserves all he gets.
The CP only need to suspect and believe they can persuade a jury. They don't need actually physical proof. His plea will tell us more. If they have solid proof of grooming he'd be insane to plead innocent. It would virtually guarantee him maximum sentence possible.
Grooming is specific to minors Pops. It's definition goes something along the lines of "priming a minor for sexual contact" through calls or texts or presents or whatever. It's grim.
The grooming charge means the CP think he knew her age whilst pursuing her for sex. He could have pestered her for sex before getting it, but if they can't convince a jury he knew her age then he'll get off with the grooming charge. He could still get done for sex with a child and get off with grooming. The fact the CP have brought up a grooming charge tells us they're going for a maximum sentence as a guilty verdict on grooming makes sure he'll get a maximum sentence for the other charges too. The cp must have strong case. Either that or the CP are covering their own arses by putting a high profile case to the jury thus covering them if he re offends.
If he's been 'grooming' then there's a 99% chance it's been done using some form of telecoms device. The data is un-delete-able once it's been sent by a hand set. I've got mates who do it for a living... Handset forensics not grooming. His only glimmer of hope is he's done it the old fashioned way approaching kids in the park, let's face it, he's not the most inconspicuous of people is he? PL footballer. I'm waiting on Concrete Tony explaining why he's not a danger to society if this is the case, I may be mistaken but I think CT is in the know with this sort of thing.
If he really wants to get away with it he should become an mp. Sorry lads, I`ll give this a rest for a while. Getting cynical. Been reading about Janner.
It's bad ****, and frankly I can't find a word of defence. I've always been a fan of AJ but this is so far beyond sport, so, so far. You know, I ****ed a lass a few years back, then found out she was 18, I was mortified, think I was 28 or so, I just can't comprehend this kinda **** lads, I can't, on any level.
well, i'm in london with work at the mo. out for lunch and i spot this bloke who looks remarkably like ellis short. he's own his own, constantly looking at his ipad, then all of a sudden he's off before i had a chance/courage to go up and speak to him. get back to the office and AJ charged for grooming is on the news ticker on the telly in reception. anyway, random. but according to the waitress he's in there a lot.....i wonder what he's thinking right now, apart from 'who was the hard looking, handsome bastard staring me out at lunch'. ****ing AJ, i was gonna ask Ellis to pay for me lunch.
He could just be the thin end of the wedge Grandpops. I think the press could be holding out until after the election.
it's not that fancy! but yeah, just off manchester square, by Selfridges. bit surreal. as forAJ. what a silly ****. or nasty **** if this turns out to be true... the alarm bells are well and truly ringing
Mate, when I'm in London I get a boots meal deal and feel like I'm treating myself. It doesn't look good to me with AJ. Looks very bad but wait and see I guess.
