Off Topic French plane crash

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PattyNchips2 said:
you would never survive a jump from 36,000 feet, your blood would start to boil at 10,000.
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Well I know Vesna Vulovič, she was a stewardess on a plane which blew up / shot down at 10,000 meters. She had some serious injuries but she has never mentioned her blood boiling. I will ask next time I see her.
 
captain caveman said:
My qualifications to talk about mental illness are worn. Would you like to see my wrists?
I am able to talk freely about it, without shame, because the level of awareness has increased and the stigma attached has decreased.
Someone like tobes, who say they have experience of it, I have no reason to doubt you, yet display little sympathy or understanding of someones thought processes before they did a truly terrible thing.
In my opinion, attitudes like his will set us back ten years.
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Sympathy? I have zero sympathy in this case for the **** who took the plane down. I hope he burns in hell for Eternity.

Suicidal manic depressives don't seek to take others with them when they make their decision that death is the best option. As even when at their wits end, there's still an element of rationale as you have to decide how you're going to achieve the end goal. This virtually never includes taking anyone else with you. In this case this man has made that call knowingly, he's acted knowing with absolute certainty that he was going to take a plane load with him.

What'll set the mental health lobby back 10 years is soft ****s like you failing to make the definite and obvious distinction between a simple suicide and an act of mass murder.
 
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I remember seeing something on National Geographic Channel about death beyond 10,000 feet.
maybe my recollection is off.
I apologise if this is so... I am not stating it as fact - so don't quote me as tho' it is.
 
PattyNchips2 said:
I remember seeing something on National Geographic Channel about death beyond 10,000 feet.
maybe my recollection is off.
I apologise if this is so... I am not stating it as fact - so don't quote me as tho' it is.
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As I already posted, 7000' is the highest breathable altitude without acclimatisation, 26,000' with acclimatising. That is for prolonged periods, you can survive a few hours over 26,000' but you will get hypoxia after awhile.
 
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PattyNchips2 said:
like I said, you wouldn't survive very long.
so you're in favour of parachutes then? cos everytime I try to suggest it is a bad idea, you counteract it with how I'm wrong.
OR as I suspect, you're just an argumentative **** with too much time on your hands?

****ing unemployable - sub underclass.
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<laugh>

What a drama queen.

Makes a tit of himself and then starts hoying his toys out of the pram.
 
Tobes said:
Sympathy? I have zero sympathy in this case for the **** who took the plane down. I hope he burns in hell for Eternity.

Suicidal manic depressives don't seek to take others with them when they make their decision that death is the best option. As even when at their wits end, there's still an element of rationale as you have to decide how you're going to achieve the end goal. This virtually never includes taking anyone else with you. In this case this man has made that call knowingly, he's acted knowing with absolute certainty that he was going to take a plane load with him.

What'll set the mental health lobby back 10 years is soft ****s like you failing to make the definite and obvious distinction between a simple suicide and an act of mass murder.
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You cannot rationalise the irrational. At the point of choosing death, there is only one thought, and it isn't other people. The apparent ack of a suicide note suggests this was a spur of the moment action. Hardly rational.
As for calling me a ****, if wanting to help people and feeling bad when they dont get the help they need makes me a ****, then so be it.
There were 150 victims of his mental illness on that plane, he was one of them.
 
captain caveman said:
You cannot rationalise the irrational. At the point of choosing death, there is only one thought, and it isn't other people. The apparent ack of a suicide note suggests this was a spur of the moment action. Hardly rational.
As for calling me a ****, if wanting to help people and feeling bad when they dont get the help they need makes me a ****, then so be it.
There were 150 victims of his mental illness on that plane, he was one of them.
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There were 149 victims of his selfish decision to commit mass murder and 1 suicide in that incident

Your apologist attitude to his supposed mental state (unproven btw) is ****ing offensive to me and I speak as someone who has stood on the brink. The man has gone to the grave as a mass murderer- the end

Confusing this ****s actions with genuine depression victims is ****ing offensive to someone who's been there, the fact that you can't accept that simple fact says more about you than me.
 
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Tobes said:
There were 149 victims of his selfish decision to commit mass murder and 1 suicide in that incident

Your apologist attitude to his supposed mental state (unproven btw) is ****ing offensive to me and I speak as someone who has stood on the brink. The man has gone to the grave as a mass murderer- the end

Confusing this ****s actions with genuine depression victims is ****ing offensive to someone who's been there, the fact that you can't accept that simple fact says more about you than me.
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As someone who went over the edge and is only here due to dumb luck I feel perfectly entitled to voice my opinion.
I'm not defending his actions, I can't, but I will defend the man who needed help. Condemning him after the event does no good to anyone, it may even put people off seeking help till its too late.
If it was a physical illness that caused this tragedy, would you still condemn him?
 
captain caveman said:
As someone who went over the edge and is only here due to dumb luck I feel perfectly entitled to voice my opinion.
I'm not defending his actions, I can't, but I will defend the man who needed help. Condemning him after the event does no good to anyone, it may even put people off seeking help till its too late.
If it was a physical illness that caused this tragedy, would you still condemn him?
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It wasn't any form of illness that cause this tragedy, what caused it was the selfish decision making of a self absorbed man. Whether he was depressed or not doesn't alter the fact that his conscious decision to take down that plane was an act of mass murder.

Your attitude is cringe worthy given the circumstance imo. And when I state I'm doing so as a man who's stood on the brink by god I mean it.

The bottom line is that the ****er responsible is a man who made a conscious decision to take the people who were his duty of care with him, he s a grade A **** by default post that decision.

Stop defending him you gullible tool. He's not worth the steam off your piss. His actions where that of a self absorbed idiot
 
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captain caveman said:
As someone who went over the edge and is only here due to dumb luck I feel perfectly entitled to voice my opinion.
I'm not defending his actions, I can't, but I will defend the man who needed help. Condemning him after the event does no good to anyone, it may even put people off seeking help till its too late.
If it was a physical illness that caused this tragedy, would you still condemn him?
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oh **** off
this was mass murder.. he doesn't deserve one ounce of sympathy.. he has committed a ****ing atrocity.. seriously **** off
 
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PattyNchips2 said:
what they should do, is give the pilots a key-card that can override the locking mechanism.
(it is a wonder that they haven't thought of that in-case a terrorist gains control of the cockpit and locks them out.)
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That'd be no good patty, any potential terrorist would simply need to knock the pilot on the head when he went for a piss and nick his keycard
 
ImperialTiger said:
Well they seem to be suggesting from the voice recorder that the pilot did not use the access code to try and gain re-entry to the cockpit and instead merely shouted at the co-pilot through the door before trying to knock the door down. I guess if you are aware that the other pilot is conscious, and they don't move the switch to unlock to open the door, then having a code to get in is futile as they can just override your request for access.

There's nothing to stop one pilot accosting another anyway and subsequently crashing a plane so it's not an easy problem to solve.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Express_Flight_705
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From what I saw on the video there's a red light showing on the keypad, meaning that it won't function whilst that light is showing, only when the light returns to green. Therefore if the captain was seeing only the red light there would have been no point in attempting to use the keypad. The murderer obviously had the switch held permanently in the lock position, or jammed something in there to hold it in that position. That would explain the captain not attempting use the keypad.
 
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