Tony Fernandes

[CroydonCaptainJack]

I'm Anti now.

Nice bloke but hasn't a notion

Out of interest, why are you anti 'now' Swords. Do you think we should have kept Harry then?

 

[CroydonCaptainJack]

A good post. We've had a rollercoaster ride since TF took over - both euphoria and disillusionment - and although I expect to be relegated this season, there are signs that Tony Fernandes is taking a long term view even if we have to spend some seasons in the Championship, and come up with a solid, enthused, youthful team. That will give us the best chance of staying in the Premier League, but it's not going to be easy because increased TV monies will enable all the regular Prem clubs to entrench and be hard to shift. We're seeing that already.

If QPR fans turn on management (and I don't think they will) then I'd say...be careful what you wish for.

Good post mate. What I will say, however is that despite the increased TV money there will still be three slots available every season.

 

[rangercol]

Isn't capitalism wonderful? Rich men buy something we hold dear. They make bad decisions to the point where that thing cannot survive without them. Then we can't run the risk of offending them lest they decide to wreck it entirely. It seems to me that living in the 21st century is a bit like being an ancient Greek or Roman - bowing to petty, unwise, unreliable, fallible and potentially spiteful little gods. Bowing not out of genuine respect and certainly not out of love. But because of a fear of the gods' wrath in the event of being offered insufficient adoration.

For some reason, part of Danish's post has been attributed to me on your reply TIME.

 

[rangercol]

So we are in this position......jolly D.

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The argument that we should be too scared to upset people for fear of what they might do sits very poorly with me.

Devil you know?

 

[Swords Hoopster.]

Out of interest, why are you anti 'now' Swords.

I am not anti "now" as in the present tense. I've nothing against the present tense. I live my life in the present tense (apart from when I've consumed alcohol)

I'm anti-Tony........now as opposed to before

 

[QPAAAAAGH]

Strange how 90% of the votes so far are 'pro' and yet nearly all the commentary is negative. The silent majority clearly still like the bloke (as I do). The more verbal minority need a wicker man for some reason. The acid test for me is to ask yourself the question: apart from the no-limits types at the scum and City would you chosen someone else to try to get us success? There are dozens of businessmen who have failed in football of course.

 

[CroydonCaptainJack]

I am not anti "now" as in the present tense. I've nothing against the present tense. I live my life in the present tense (apart from when I've consumed alcohol)

I'm anti-Tony........now as opposed to before

So what changed your mind?

 

[thisismyengland]

apart from the no-limits types at the scum and City would you chosen someone else to try to get us success?

I'm not all that concerned about "success". If there were a way of keeping the club alive and stable but low-key (i.e. inhabiting the second tier or below with maybe just the occasional short spell in the top flight), I'd be up for that. Never any real risk of going out of business but not much chance of glamour either. A team of honest triers glad to have the chance to earn a living playing the game. Same old faces in the crown going to games. It'd work for me. But I'm a dinosaur.

 

[UTRs]

I've stated before to the OP that turning Fernandes into the new Tarrabt argument isn't going to end well.
Forget the banter between ourselves, but once this media whore gets a whiff of continuing dissent and negative reporting he'll be off and with a ready made excuse.
Let's be honest with ourselves for a moment and look at the situation in cold hard facts - a la Benitez:

Fernandes has little affinity to QPR with only the last 3 1/2 years experience tying him - made previous attempt to buy into his favourite club West Ham prior to taking the RRRs over.
Fernandes has a well publicized sporting bankruptcy on his CV.
Fernandes has overseen an approximate 250M GBP loss in 3 1/2 years - Playing staff valuations will be almost same as start of tenure by end season.
Fernandes has been responsible for the selection of several Management teams at QPR, all underperforming.
His backers have no affinity to QPR or football and possess a well publicized sporting bankruptcy on their CV.
The Mittals show no signs of wishing to take over the helm, increasing from their already 33% stake.
The Mittals do not require any branding from a sporting venture - they simply do not sell to individuals, it is all corporate.

With just that in mind - what do we think could be keeping our owners at QPR? - My opinion - It aint the football!!

Whilst the Multi Billion pound project was very feasible, a few hundred Million pound "study and viability investment" was sound. As that dream appears to at the very least be diluting, that few hundred Million USD now starts to look like it might have to be written off.

If Fernandes is such a great Businessman as purported he will reach that conclusion.The only thing that might just stop him is the very real negative effect this would have on his profile in the West - which thankfully is still something close to his heart. However, if we start ala Briatore, to attack from all social media angles, he may be provided with his Get of Jail free card, able to quote racist, ungrateful, uneducated fans for forcing him out.

My summation of my own made up facts is that we have to be careful - we must not get on Tony's or his partner's backs, this is extremely precarious, that our current position is due to TF is of no benefit at all to us, that we have gone from a no debt club to losses of 250M GBP within 4 years is sad and so wrong, those of you that state that it is not our money but the Owner's have missed a very real point here that Stan brings up.

When TF bought in - we were a relatively OK proposition, promoted to Prem as Champions, no debt, decent relocation opportunities. Now 4 years on (and only if we go down) - we will be a club that is in the CC, lack of playing staff numbers and produced an accumulated debt of over 250M GBP to our owners - that is definitely a loss in our stock as a club, the Owners will of course have lost their "study and viability investment" but we are far more likely to lose or at very best have at risk something more dear to us.

So all in all - I love you Tony!! - I'll buy the Frosties!!

Fair point and judging by how the vote is turning out I can't see a Tony revolt happening anytime soon tbh. I have not started this thread to cause any trouble.

 

[rangercol]

Mmm......................I get both sides of the argument here.
If I was going to the games on my own, I think I'd be reasonably happy with the Championship on the whole.
However, as much as my lad is a Rangers fan through and through, he is young enough to really enjoy seeing some of the best players in the World right in front of him on the pitch.

Even I can get enjoyment from watching the likes of Sanchez up close, as much as I want us to win the game.

 

[Shawswood]

I wonder would we have seen a different ratio if the question was about his actions rather than his likeability, as in
"Do you like what he has done to QPR?"

He is undoubtedly a likeable individual, but I'm certain that he should not be allowed to jeopardise our future existence in the way he has.

 

[peter1954qpr]

i'm in the pro group, i believe TF wants the best for our club and will work towards where we want to be, he needs to get off twatter and be true to his word, i can accept relegation if we take a different approach, go down the giving the youngsters a go route mixed with some added quality even if it takes a couple of years to return,work diligently towards the new training ground as a priority and eventually the new stadium.

 

[danishqp]

Strange how 90% of the votes so far are 'pro' and yet nearly all the commentary is negative. The silent majority clearly still like the bloke (as I do). The more verbal minority need a wicker man for some reason. The acid test for me is to ask yourself the question: apart from the no-limits types at the scum and City would you chosen someone else to try to get us success? There are dozens of businessmen who have failed in football of course.

Very well generalized, why thank you -
You perhaps need to phrase the question you have put to us nay sayers with a smidgen of direction - the only option provided is Abramovich, Qataris or their ilk or someone else. You have also followed that up with a statement on failed football projects by a substantial amount of businessmen. Are you implying that Fernandes has done a good job during his tenure?
Perhaps you could ask yourself and in turn answer the following:

Did Fernandes take over the club with debt?
Where were we as a club then?
What is the overall debt of the club now?
Where are we as a club now?

Do you believe that Fernandes has shown any aptitude for successfully turning this burning platform around?

I don't want him to lose yet more money and I'd rather he set his ambitions with a realistic vision, one that doesn't include continuous wastage on piss poor people masquerading as football professionals.

 

[EscapeGoat]

I think relegation is almost inevitable for us now which will really reflect what TF feels about the club

I voted Anti, purely based on the facts that he's set to take us down twice in 3 seasons.

Another squad rebuild job is on the cards, and we seemingly can't get it right when it comes to building a squad which gets you out the Championship but also gives you a solid footing in the Premiership itself.

Decision Number 1 is the Manager, do we go with Ramsey or do we pouch someone else (possibly Karl Robinson from MK Dons?)

Decision Number 2 is the playing squad:

Staying
Alex McCarthy, Nedum Onouha, Jack Robinson, Steven Caulker (with a rocket sent up him to sort his defending out), Darnell Furlong, Faurlin, Matt Phillips. All Youth team players (Doughty, Ehmer etc to be assessed or released)

Leaving
Austin - a MINIMUM of £15 million (The Remy mistake will not be repeated)
Fer - £8 million
Sandro - £10-5 million
Hoillet - Whatever you can get
Yun - Whatever you can get
Taarabt - Whatever you can get
Bobby Zamora
Rio Ferdinand
Joey Barton
Richard Dunne
Clint Hill
SWP
Armand Traore

Back to parent club
Isla, Vargas, Kranjcar, Zarate

 

[awjm]

You should have made a middle choice. I'm sceptical but think his mistakes from naivity and childishness rather than bad will.

I actually resent what he's done since he came to us. I hold him largely responsible but can't feel hate for him as he doesn't seem a bad person. I am willing to see if he has FINALLY learned and will now steady the ship for once.

 

[Totallyqpr]

Best chairman in English football, warts and all.

 

[QPAAAAAGH]

Are you implying that Fernandes has done a good job during his tenure?

I'm implying that despite the failures TF is enthusiastic about football and our club in particular and that, along with the other backers, he has pumped millions of his own money into our club in an attempt to bring it success (£60m recently written off). Yes there have been cock-ups aplenty (Philip Beard please take a bow) but other than having a magic wand that guarantees success or being one of those backers with truly unlimited funds it's hard to imagine a better type of owner for a smallish football club. We should ask Blackburn Rovers or Birmingham City supporters about owners to get some perspective.

Moreover, football finances move on apace and there is no going back to the good old days. If we revert to the realms of small well-run club as many proselytize we will likely find that the natural order of things now has us in League 1 or 2 rather than the upper reaches of the Championship which is crowded with much bigger fish than QPR. London is the attraction of course but we could just as easily be Leyton Orient than West Ham.

 

[danishqp]

I'm implying that despite the failures TF is enthusiastic about football and our club in particular and that, along with the other backers, he has pumped millions of his own money into our club in an attempt to bring it success (£60m recently written off). Yes there have been cock-ups aplenty (Philip Beard please take a bow) but other than having a magic wand that guarantees success or being one of those backers with truly unlimited funds it's hard to imagine a better type of owner for a smallish football club. We should ask Blackburn Rovers or Birmingham City supporters about owners to get some perspective.

Moreover, football finances move on apace and there is no going back to the good old days. If we revert to the realms of small well-run club as many proselytize we will likely find that the natural order of things now has us in League 1 or 2 rather than the upper reaches of the Championship which is crowded with much bigger fish than QPR. London is the attraction of course but we could just as easily be Leyton Orient than West Ham.

And your last paragraph is my point, we actually had a chance of being a Swansea, a Fulham of The last 10 years.
We had a chance, we've as a club now lost our owners 250 Mill. The chance is disappearing fast, and it definitely didn't need to go this way. Typical us, The one time we won The lottery, we blew it like a drunken, drug azzled lunatic on acid. Who in their right mind would pick us up if they just leave writing off their " opulent housing feasibility study?"

 

[Swords Hoopster.]

So what changed your mind?

The biggest thing would be not learning from his obvious mistakes the first time round. His running of the Club was terrible the first time round but because he's such a nice bloke people were prepared to let it go. He said he'd learned but once we got ourselves back up, the first thing he did was sanction the signing of Rio phucking Ferdinand! A blind man could see how bad a signing that was going to be yet he went ahead anyway.

His constant bullsh*t on Twitter has worn me down too. Initially it was endearing but its now apparent that having a Chairman who can't stay out of the spotlight for more than five minutes is a weight around our necks. His handling of the Redknapp situation was very bad too. Sacking him the moment the window closed (he was obviously pushed) couldn't possibly be timed any worse.

In short, at the start of the season I was full of optimism that it was a new start and a new way of doing things. But at the moment it looks like Tony has fu*ked it all up again. How could someone spend a quarter of a billion quid (c Danish) and still end up relegated to the Championsh*t??? He's a lovely chap but you can't honestly say that after three years you think the guy knows how to run a football club?

C'mon Jack, its time to look the facts square in the eye.

 

[QPR Oslo]

Don't know how to answer that - how can such a simplistic pro or anti most anything be possible? I like the cash and energy he has brought into our Club, but he has done a very bad job with his managerial appointments until CR's, and I don't see much real development on a new stadium or even the training ground.