#bbcsalford

[moreinjuredthanowen]

Having made my contribution, I think that we're most of us barking up the wrong tree anyway.
Unless we were at the court case none of us is qualified to pass judgement. We can express opinion on the case, obviously, but that's not really the issue. The point is, regardless of whether the ruling was fair or not, the sentence of the court has been carried out. It is not the prerogative of the media or any pressure group to then decide on whether or not he can continue his career. If they think there is some flaw in the legal process, that the sentence was too lenient perhaps, then they should follow the correct legal procedure- they should not be allowed to take the law into their own hands.
Threatening illegal retribution on a club who consider employing him is also a crime.

sensible this... it is after all tantamount to mob rule to be threatening peoepl if the do something they'll be killed as a result. Jessica ennis pulled her name form sheff utd stand over him training there... her choice... but i can see how certain groups are going a lot further to make an example and this is wrong.

Its not like the guy is all that anyway frankly. if they used the courts to decide fine but having mouths try to pressurise the fa to ban all whatevers from ever playing again etc etc breaks the rule of law. thats where the crux of the matter sits.

Imagine some gobshite footballer posted something i dunno antisemitic or culd be interpreted as such or even made some form of gesture after scoring a goal if the jewish community started threatening people (whihc they don't) or isreal threatened england if the coutry allowed him to play there'd be uproar.

 

[UnitedinRed]

I think this is another conclusion people jump to. Usually, I'd agree totally but why would the girl say she can't remember and not testify if she was in it for the cash? Why wouldn't it be settled out of court assuming Evans attempted a settlement (he may not have done which would then be the reason)

I suspect she was advised to keep the 'cant remember' line. Had she actually testified this could have been thrown out on day one.

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

I think this is another conclusion people jump to. Usually, I'd agree totally but why would the girl say she can't remember and not testify if she was in it for the cash? Why wouldn't it be settled out of court assuming Evans attempted a settlement (he may not have done which would then be the reason)

its not a civil matter though.... its a criminal matter and settlements cannot come into it. if they did she'd be done for wasting police time.

 

[Tobes]

I suspect she was advised to keep the 'cant remember' line. Had she actually testified this could have been thrown out on day one.

She'd previously accused someone else of rape and it was thrown out.

Her silence meant no court room testimony which in turn kept her character out of the courtroom as well as her previous history.........

 

[BBFs Unpopular View]

There were witness statements that the defence wished to use that gave details of her promiscuous behaviour and previous false rape accusation

ahh here. ffs.

As I suspected, sweet little angels do not end up in hotel rooms with footballers and getting stuffed. And the fact she has previously made false rape accusations... not admitted by the court I take it!

FFS!

Not the little virgin in white she is being portrayed as by the media and femtards, she's a slapper plain and simple, she was led down a merry path by the pigs and was told there was a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. For 6k she gave the pigs what they wanted and ruined many lives.

Who is the real victim here.

The best possible outcome for that girl was to keep schtum and take a few quid from Evans and never bothered with court. Seeing as she wasn't actually raped, and let Evans pay for his stupidity out of his pocket, she'd have got more than 6k too.

Ah sure, she's yet to sell her story remember, that will bring in a nice few quid.

 

[BBFs Unpopular View]

its not a civil matter though.... its a criminal matter and settlements cannot come into it. if they did she'd be done for wasting police time.

She got 6k conpensation I think, but there are other avenues of revenue for her, selling her story for a start. Plus, you'd be surprised how much crowdfunding raises, several hundred k could be raised for her to "start a new life" after letting the cops use her to ruin Evans' life

 

[johnsonsbaby]

I think this is another conclusion people jump to. Usually, I'd agree totally but why would the girl say she can't remember and not testify if she was in it for the cash? Why wouldn't it be settled out of court assuming Evans attempted a settlement (he may not have done which would then be the reason)

i agree.

No compensation was paid and wouldn't have anyway because compensation is paid out for distress and loss of earnings, and the girl didn't have any time off work.

 

[BBFs Unpopular View]

She'd previously accused someone else of rape and it was thrown out.

Her silence meant no court room testimony which in turn kept her character out of the courtroom as well as her previous history.........

Exactly, hence the sudden memory loss!

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

She got 6k conpensation I think, but there are other avenues of revenue for her, selling her story for a start. Plus, you'd be surprised how much crowdfunding raises, several hundred k could be raised for her to "start a new life" after letting the cops use her to ruin Evans' life

you are right that selling story and so forth are routes. however an order of compensation and a jail terms still make it criminal not civil no? settlement is out of her hands.

one does feel that as it was a nobody footballer this was the most she'd get.

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

ahh here. ffs.

As I suspected, sweet little angels do not end up in hotel rooms with footballers and getting stuffed. And the fact she has previously made false rape accusations... not admitted by the court I take it!

FFS!

Not the little virgin in white she is being portrayed as by the media and femtards, she's a slapper plain and simple, she was led down a merry path by the pigs and was told there was a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. For 6k she gave the pigs what they wanted and ruined many lives.

Who is the real victim here.

The best possible outcome for that girl was to keep schtum and take a few quid from Evans and never bothered with court. Seeing as she wasn't actually raped, and let Evans pay for his stupidity out of his pocket, she'd have got more than 6k too.

Ah sure, she's yet to sell her story remember, that will bring in a nice few quid.

this is a problem for me...

she could have been a hooker and if she'd said no to the second guy its rape end of

he was a drunken whatever... fine... but that still doesn't give ched evans or anyone carte blanche and thats the line to draw.

 

[Tobes]

In relation to her fiscal motives who knows what BS she was plied by the prosecutor / Police at the time.

She tweeted that she was about to "win big" months after the incident and told 2 of her mates that she was "going to make their dreams come true" and buy matching Mini Coopers.........these tweets were soon deleted btw.......

She may have been told about the possibility (that may still happen post the final appeal) of a civil action for damages. Suing the millionaire footballer might have been made to sound a lucrative possibility to a naive 19 year old at the time.

 

[johnsonsbaby]

ahh here. ffs.

As I suspected, sweet little angels do not end up in hotel rooms with footballers and getting stuffed. And the fact she has previously made false rape accusations... not admitted by the court I take it!

FFS!

Not the little virgin in white she is being portrayed as by the media and femtards, she's a slapper plain and simple, she was led down a merry path by the pigs and was told there was a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. For 6k she gave the pigs what they wanted and ruined many lives.

Who is the real victim here.

The best possible outcome for that girl was to keep schtum and take a few quid from Evans and never bothered with court. Seeing as she wasn't actually raped, and let Evans pay for his stupidity out of his pocket, she'd have got more than 6k too.

Ah sure, she's yet to sell her story remember, that will bring in a nice few quid.

You really don't know the facts do you.

If she hadn't reported her handbag missing none of this would have happened anyway. She has no previous as far as I'm aware and why you are making stuff up makes no sense.

To simplify it -
do lots of young men act like McDonald did after a drunken night out? - Yes, unfortunately it's not unusual in this day and age.
do lots of young men act like Evans did? - No, what he did was unusual, very sneaky and disgusting even given the current lax with morals climate.

The girl has never been painted as whiter than white so why keep going on that? She's never had any compensation other than from Evans family members and friends who named the girl on Twitter and it was £500 each or thereabouts.

 

[Tobes]

this is a problem for me...

she could have been a hooker and if she'd said no to the second guy its rape end of

he was a drunken whatever... fine... but that still doesn't give ched evans or anyone carte blanche and thats the line to draw.

That's true, but the morals of the individual are relevant when trying to assess (given the memory loss) the liklihood of whether she had consented to the events or not.

The hooker who says no, has refused consent, it's therefore rape, no question, but the issue of refusal of consent doesn't figure in this case.

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

think of it like this... while worse was done in india.... men there thought gang rape was a suitable punishment for wrong doing. they got sentanced cos they killed the girl brutally.

Evans went there with selfish intent. whatever the girl did to get herself there is actually irrelevant judging by the way the case went. thats all muck slinging. Evans went to use someone and she happened to be the one used. thats basically it. His actions were wrong.... if we want to debate on how wrong or if is should be called rape or what... fine ok go do that.

But this is now just single out her and blame her... he did what he did cos he wanted to so its on him.

 

[BBFs Unpopular View]

this is a problem for me...

she could have been a hooker and if she'd said no to the second guy its rape end of

he was a drunken whatever... fine... but that still doesn't give ched evans or anyone carte blanche and thats the line to draw.

That's not the point, if it was rape it was rape, but the character of Evans during this thing was called up so why not hers? She never claimed she was raped, the "system" went after Evans and her character seemed totally irrelevant in a case where character was a major factor, Evans painted as someone out to rape a girl from the onset. She was preyed upon according to how it all panned out, a poor drunk innocent girl preyed upon by an evil rapist.
Bollocks

 

[BBFs Unpopular View]

That's true, but the morals of the individual are relevant when trying to assess (given the memory loss) the liklihood of whether she had consented to the events or not.

The hooker who says no, has refused consent, it's therefore rape, no question, but the issue of refusal of consent doesn't figure in this case.

Exactly, they basically removed what the girl said or did not say from this case, they made it irrelevant whether she said yes or no. They standardised it by saying being drunk means you did not consent. Ergo Evans was always going to be guilty.

Alas, you have to be really smashed to remember nothing, at no point did the girl say she was smashed, I believe tipsy was the word used.

She remembers a lot more than she is saying she does, and I reckon consenting to Evans was something she does remember, but that would blow the whole case out of the water.

She was exploited as much by police and the legal system as much Evans and his mate, exploitation though is not rape.

 

[Tobes]

think of it like this... while worse was done in india.... men there thought gang rape was a suitable punishment for wrong doing. they got sentanced cos they killed the girl brutally.

Evans went there with selfish intent. whatever the girl did to get herself there is actually irrelevant judging by the way the case went. thats all muck slinging. Evans went to use someone and she happened to be the one used. thats basically it. His actions were wrong.... if we want to debate on how wrong or if is should be called rape or what... fine ok go do that.

But this is now just single out her and blame her... he did what he did cos he wanted to so its on him.

Whereas the girl and the other fella were on the cusp of a romantic tryst and weren't just looking for a jump in seedy hotel after a skinful on a night out I suppose.......

If she consented then no-one was 'using' anyone, they were having sex.

People can apply their own moral code to the entire scenario but the facts are simple, if she said yes, it was what it was.

 

[BBFs Unpopular View]

Being used, or exploited, as I said, is not rape, not by any wrangling of the english language.

 

[BBFs Unpopular View]

Whereas the girl and the other fella were on the cusp of a romantic tryst and weren't just looking for a jump in seedy hotel after a skinful on a night out I suppose.......

If she consented then no-one was 'using' anyone, they were having sex.

People can apply their own moral code to the entire scenario but the facts are simple, if she said yes, it was what it was.

And this is why they absolved her of that decision she made, as there would be no case if they didn't.

In every other imaginable situation I can think of, being drunk does not absolve you of any responsibility because you chose to get pissed and are responsible for all you do that comes afterwards.

 

[johnsonsbaby]

That's not the point, if it was rape it was rape, but the character of Evans during this thing was called up so why not hers? She never claimed she was raped, the "system" went after Evans and her character seemed totally irrelevant in a case where character was a major factor, Evans painted as someone out to rape a girl from the onset. She was preyed upon according to how it all panned out, a poor drunk innocent girl preyed upon by an evil rapist.
Bollocks

All the details of what she did were recalled during the case. Do you think seeing a drunken 19 year old stumbling along the street, and hearing what sort of state she was in, vomiting, wetting the bed, drugs in her system etc etc - was actually endearing her to the courtroom and jury?? The tales of numerous nights out that she couldn't recall surely showed her character actually more than it showed Evans'.