Having read it again, I'm not sure that's clear either way. But it seems undisputed that she willingly went with him.
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Having read it again, I'm not sure that's clear either way. But it seems undisputed that she willingly went with him.
As I've said earlier, I don't know the details of the case, but if what you say here is true then that makes it even worse imo, not better.
Were the police present? Obviously not, so upon what did they base their decision to bring charges? The girl must have provided some statement to suggest that there was a case to answer or it wouldn't even be allowed to get to court, surely?
If she gave consent, it was consensual sex. A 3rd parties subjective opinion on the level of conscious thought that went that consent is a complete nonsense. If she said yes, it was consensual.
The only way Evans could have been guilty is if she was unconcious when he took his turn, which is seemingly not the case given the night guards testimony.
Sisu, you keep saying they went after Evans because he was high-profile. I don't remember hearing much about it a t the time at all. Did I just completely miss it? As far as I'm aware, the ironic part about the uproar of him maybe playing again is that more people seem to have taken an interest, looked at the case, thought it seemed dodgy and don't think he's a rapist. If he'd been able to just quietly get a job, then he would more likely just be known as someone who was convicted of rape.
Unless I'm compeletely misreading the situation.
Unless I'm compeletely misreading the situation.
There were witness statements that the defence wished to use that gave details of her promiscuous behaviour and previous false rape accusation
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There's only Evans and his friends word that she consented but even if she did, a jury and an appeal 'board'? having viewed the evidence still found him guilty. Why do you not accept that? All parties concerned showed the morals of alley cats and I'm sure this sort of thing goes on all the time - except - for what Evans did which was unusual to say the least. Also questionable that it was pre-meditated and was going to happen whether the girl consented or not. He books a room for his friend, his friend texts him to say 'I've got a bird' then he sneaks into the hotel room to do what was planned ???? Who knows. And no the girl isn't being portrayed as whiter than white - how could she be given her loose morals? but she didn't bring the charges and doesn't deserve to have to go into hiding, move, change her name and be unable to go home for Christmas while Evans can walk around freely and carry on with his life - lack of employment aside!
He was an international footballer who was in great form prior to his arrest, he was high profile and it made plenty of headlines at the time.
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evans wasnt a huge name in England but he was a very high profile welsh striker on massive money for his age and the level Sheff United were at. £20,000 a week makes him very high profile but not high profile enough to make this all go away.
The only way around the problem is for birds to wear metal panties padlocked at the crotch, their friend minds the key and will only give it to the feller if her friend gives the ok.
If the feller is carrying an acetylene torch when he chats her up she should give him a wide berth.
If the feller is carrying an acetylene torch when he chats her up she should give him a wide berth.
You've got that wrong as well. She could still be deemed unable to give consent in the same way a mentally ******ed individual, for example, could be regarded as not able to give the consent they actually gave.
That's the entire crux of the issue. That assertion is ridiculous. If consent is given, then who can be in a positon to judge the exact state of mind of the person who made the decision, at the point they made it?
It opens up a complete mine field.
She said yes,
Well yes, but she was pissed
So what?
Well she might not have meant it
So what?
Well she might not have said it when sober
Then don't get pissed then.
Utterly ludicrous
Having made my contribution, I think that we're most of us barking up the wrong tree anyway.
Unless we were at the court case none of us is qualified to pass judgement. We can express opinion on the case, obviously, but that's not really the issue. The point is, regardless of whether the ruling was fair or not, the sentence of the court has been carried out. It is not the prerogative of the media or any pressure group to then decide on whether or not he can continue his career. If they think there is some flaw in the legal process, that the sentence was too lenient perhaps, then they should follow the correct legal procedure- they should not be allowed to take the law into their own hands.
Threatening illegal retribution on a club who consider employing him is also a crime.
Unless we were at the court case none of us is qualified to pass judgement. We can express opinion on the case, obviously, but that's not really the issue. The point is, regardless of whether the ruling was fair or not, the sentence of the court has been carried out. It is not the prerogative of the media or any pressure group to then decide on whether or not he can continue his career. If they think there is some flaw in the legal process, that the sentence was too lenient perhaps, then they should follow the correct legal procedure- they should not be allowed to take the law into their own hands.
Threatening illegal retribution on a club who consider employing him is also a crime.
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I used a similar example yesterday. Somebody under age could give their consent but legally that can't because they're not old enough to do so.
I don't think being pissed is the same though. As I said earlier, what if Evans had been equally pissed? Would he still have been treated the same? Could she have faced prison instead or as well...?
Ched Evans to get Oldham FC drunk and sign for them anyway
Despite claims to the contrary, convicted rapist Ched Evans will today sign for Oldham FC today after plying the club with enough alcohol that he can sign a contract with them anyway.
Evans, who has been the target of a campaign from Oldham supporters keen to see the club pass on the opportunity to sign him, said that at no point did the club make it clear they didn’t want him to sign the contract.
Evans told reporters, “Oldham were willingly in the room with me, and yes, they had a few drinks, definitely – but at no point did they explicitly say ‘no – I don’t want to sign that contract with you’.”
“I’m not denying the contract was signed, just that I in any way forced them to sign it.”
“They signed it of their own free will – them now saying they didn’t want to now is a bit late, don’t you think?”
Evans to sign for Oldham anyway
A spokesperson for the League One club said were unhappy that the contract had been signed without their consent.
They told reporters, “In the cold light of day, we did not want to sign a contract with Ched Evans, but it seems that’s what happened anyway.”
“Maybe we shouldn’t have been in the room with him, or have had those extra drinks he offered us, but I don’t think that gives him the right to just go ahead and sign a contract with us, does it?”
“The problem is that now you all think we invited this on ourselves, rather than focussing on the one with the pen in his hand.”
Evans is expected to make his debut at the weekend, whether selected or not.
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Despite claims to the contrary, convicted rapist Ched Evans will today sign for Oldham FC today after plying the club with enough alcohol that he can sign a contract with them anyway.
Evans, who has been the target of a campaign from Oldham supporters keen to see the club pass on the opportunity to sign him, said that at no point did the club make it clear they didn’t want him to sign the contract.
Evans told reporters, “Oldham were willingly in the room with me, and yes, they had a few drinks, definitely – but at no point did they explicitly say ‘no – I don’t want to sign that contract with you’.”
“I’m not denying the contract was signed, just that I in any way forced them to sign it.”
“They signed it of their own free will – them now saying they didn’t want to now is a bit late, don’t you think?”
Evans to sign for Oldham anyway
A spokesperson for the League One club said were unhappy that the contract had been signed without their consent.
They told reporters, “In the cold light of day, we did not want to sign a contract with Ched Evans, but it seems that’s what happened anyway.”
“Maybe we shouldn’t have been in the room with him, or have had those extra drinks he offered us, but I don’t think that gives him the right to just go ahead and sign a contract with us, does it?”
“The problem is that now you all think we invited this on ourselves, rather than focussing on the one with the pen in his hand.”
Evans is expected to make his debut at the weekend, whether selected or not.
When the girl woke up in the hotel alone, having vomited all over the place and wet the bed, she couldn't remember what had happened and went to get her handbag to use her phone. There was no handbag and no phone, so she rang her mother from the hotel lobby and when she came to pick her up, she suggested they ring the police. The handbag was handed in to the kebab shop, she'd dropped it in the street outside the shop. Once the police were involved and cctv footage looked at the case began ....
Exactly saint.
I've heard some absolute bobbins spoken on this issue and when you clear away the bluster and bullshit, people's real issue with him resuming his career is largely based on jealously and vindictiveness.
Leaving aside the question of his actual guilt, if he was a brickie no-one would have any issue with the fact his full conviction was as yet unspent etc etc. It's the fact that hes a footballer who could potentially rebuild his career and get back to the £1m salary he was on before that's the real root of the twitterati bombardment.
Wrong.
Her mother did collect her, but she took her to her mates house.
The woman then went to work and when she finished her shift at 11pm she went back to the hotel and asked to see the CCTV.
They refused to show her it, but told her that she'd been in a room that was occupied by a couple of footballers. It was at that point she went to the Police.......
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I think this is another conclusion people jump to. Usually, I'd agree totally but why would the girl say she can't remember and not testify if she was in it for the cash? Why wouldn't it be settled out of court assuming Evans attempted a settlement (he may not have done which would then be the reason)